nephilim (6th June 2014)
Most teachers have them here and they just use it as they wish. We have no control over apps or purchases and to be honest I have no need to. That's the teachers responsibility.
If they want to buy apps, they can request iTunes gift cards from their department budgets.
So far its worked really well. I guess the real question is will it work if we ever roll out iPads 1:1 to students.
Of course, this applies to all devices, not just iPads.
Last edited by Seb1780; 4th June 2014 at 10:02 AM. Reason: Added the generic concern
iPads can be tire-some especially when messing about with MDM solutions I tried every single one Profile Manager, Meraki, Lightspeed everything had it's problems somewhere or another. The only viable way I can manage them is Apple Configurator which throws paddys sometimes but usually works quite well! I have told the head teacher not to buy anymore iPads and soon when iPad 2's "are no more" we will look into Android tablets or Windows Tablets (this is what I'll push for) just because it's easier to implement something into a network which is already setup and ready to go. I'm just waiting
Apart from a few niggles and a cry here or there over Apple devices I like to think I have them setup quite well. I don't like them and personally think your stupid to buy an Apple device for home use when you look at pricing and hardware specs, but everyone is different! At the end of the day the children like them and it brings parents in as they like we are in a brand new building with loads of Shiny Apple Stuff, it's the sad truth but since having all this in our amount of children per year has sky rocketed!
If they have no oversight watching out for what they're buying, then how can you as a school be sure you're getting value for money - which is a legal requirement.Most teachers have them here and they just use it as they wish. We have no control over apps or purchases and to be honest I have no need to. That's the teachers responsibility.
Depends if your school works like that...If they want to buy apps, they can request iTunes gift cards from their department budgets.
what attitude, the one where i'm not wanting the school to spend more money on ipads etc than it needs/should do? I'm not saying the teachers are at fault for it, i'm saying that, without some form of control over apps etc, a teachers ipad for their class this year, could be next to useless for the next year, and if a teacher was gtiven another teachers ipad, for whatever reason, it may be completely unsuitable to that teachers.
We are trying to set up a system where by we put certain apps on an ipad, the ICT co-ordinator has requested these, and they have all been linked to the curriculum by some way or another. this means from one year to the next, they will be suitable for whoever uses them, reducing a possible substantial cost for a school that doesn't have much money (yet buys 30 odd ipads....)
Last edited by Tesla; 4th June 2014 at 10:11 AM.
"Appropriate technical and organisational measures shall be taken against unauthorised or unlawful processing of personal data and against accidental loss or destruction of, or damage to, personal data."
I doubt any court in the land will accept "it's down to the teacher" as a defence.
Last edited by AMLightfoot; 4th June 2014 at 10:23 AM.
@SYNACK, I should also point out to you it won't matter if you put this in BTRD category or not. When speaking to Apple they asked me how they could help schools in the UK as I wasn't the first to call up and complain about the management of devices. First thing I did was forward the EduGeek websites to them with links on different Apple related horrors we face day to day. I explained there are thousands of ICT Technicians that use the site everyday from Schools as a general community, a ranting place or just to get some help from others, I explained it would be a good idea to have a sponsor technician that had the ability to help in technical tasks on here and help the schools technicians manage them better rather than having to call their customer support team, who half the time are clueless.
There response: This is a forum where people go when they have problems. You are only seeing so many bad comments from people because this is a place to go to when issues arise. We will not be participating on this forum and we believe this website make up a small number of the technicians in the UK. Majority of the schools do well with Apple devices and the iPad is a brilliant educational tool, this represents a small minority of people that are having issues.
We don't managing them simply because of the work load and system changes needed. At the moment our HotSpot which is used by any mobile device users (including our Year7, 8, 9 and P16 netbooks) is completely cut off from everything minus the Internet. I can completely understand why some may go down the route of managing.
So far the Staff who have been using Tablets (around 20 so far for the last month) have too had little issues. If we managed them we certainly would be making their lives easier but it will be a lot of work to get going.
I have a strong feeling in 8 months time I will be wishing we managed our New Year 7 Tablets. What Tesla is stating is very good points in managing them.
I think that's where Apple falls short, the fans will claim its better than anything else out there and why would you look at the competition. Similar attitude M$ had a long time ago but with all the competition out there with Tablets its a buyers market. You really can choose a product best suited to you and you don't need to go Apple for the fan fest or M$ because your used to it. I am still waiting for a project to go ahead so I can start looking at Chrome Books. So my CV has M$, Apple, Android and Google Chrome experience
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zag (4th June 2014)
They're wrong though. When iOS7 came out with the 'call home validation' on WiFi connections it was a huge headache and it wasn't just individuals and schools logging tickets. We contacted Apple about the problem and their response was akin to a shrug of the shoulders and 'because security' excuse.
The upshot is that Apple are of the opinion that whatever they decide must be right and if it causes problems for people in using the devices in the way they advertise and sell them to be used then the problem is not with Apple but with all the other vendors. All the web filtering companies, all the WiFi access point and hotspot vendors, all the proxies.
One can only hope that eventually, what with the range of tablets on offer now, that people will stop seeing the shiny shiny Apple fondleslab as their first choice and will start looking at other devices. I'm interested to see how Samsung do with their new Tizen OS platform and I'm certain it won't be long before some enterprising Linux/Android groupie branches the Android OS into an enterprise specific configuration with device management software. There is certainly the market for it.
At all my Primary schools we supply partially managed Android tablets but the apps are chosen by the staff or learnpads which can very easily deploy apps, software or complete desktops. I have been getting really good feedback about the learnpads but not sure if they would be any good for KS3+
This has been a really interesting read. From a supplier's angle, the message we're getting from our schools is still predominantly "We want iPads!" though Android and Windows tablet requests are becoming more frequent.
Is this continued Apple push coming from above, then? From head teachers etc. being talked into thinking that iPads specifically are the way forward?
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