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    Yes, so when I finish uni and have a degree I won't be eligible to go for better jobs? I think I'll stand more chance. Because I'll have the same qualifications as a uni leaver plus 5 or more years experience in the trade.

    I know lads (and I don't mean one, I mean 4) who all left uni with a degree and were offered jobs with a wage ALL poorer then what I was on!

    I prefer my way - I'm getting experience, qualifications, a full wage and I'm not landing myself into debt. Yes, it takes me an extra 2 years to get that degree and it takes an extra 6 hours of my free time per week, but to be honest theres no contest which route I would take if I had to chose a million times over.

    My old network manager took this route as well, and now he's got no debt, a degree, his MCSA (which were sponsored!) and a cracking job working a top secret project for a top company.

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    When I left Uni, both myself and friends had attended interviews for jobs where the company was looking for someone who had the experience to come in and do the job straight away. Whilst we may have been able to do the job with a little training, this was not something they were looking for. The only way that people coming from Uni are going to benefit are when companys are looking for graduates. And even then, if you have a degree and experience you are going to stand out from the crowd.

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    Thank you Pallen. Why couldn't I put it like that!

    Haha

    That's what I was trying to say folks!

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    Re: What Do I need to get into school ICT...

    In my own experience, getting an apprenticeship or work placement through a college is the best and easiest way to get into a job. Once you have your foot through the door so to speak, start looking for what qualifications are on offer and best suited to you. Like other posts I have read in this thread, I didn't go to uni after leaving school, and then there was no guarantee i'd get a job; I know there are uni courses which offer you work placements, where you compete with other candidates on the course and have an interview.

    I went to a normal college, got a placement for 4 months and a good recommendation from the manager, which helped me get my current job where I have been for several years.

    ..and no debts! - although I still would like some better qualifications in the near future.

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    Re: What Do I need to get into school ICT...

    Quote Originally Posted by kerrymoralee9280
    and a cracking job working a top secret project for a top company.
    How do you put those on a CV?

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    If you are going to go with the experience over qualifications make sure you are working in a place that is willing to train you. I got a job as a techi in a school straight after college and I am now stuck. I'm not earning enough to do any Microsoft certs and the school wont pay for them.

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    Re: What Do I need to get into school ICT...

    Quote Originally Posted by logonui
    If you are going to go with the experience over qualifications make sure you are working in a place that is willing to train you. I got a job as a techi in a school straight after college and I am now stuck. I'm not earning enough to do any Microsoft certs and the school wont pay for them.
    Good point. A lot of people on the forum balk at paying even a few thousand pounds for equipment that is standard in industry, mainly because they have strict budgets. In that case there certainly isn't going to be the money to undertake any kind of proper classroom based training, which will typically be well over £1000+ for 4-5 day courses in Microsoft, Cisco, Novell or IBM. Even if the training can be made available as part of project - that training will typically be offered to the NM only due to cost.

    Although classroom based training is rarely a requirement for a school or small IT department, for specialist roles in industry it's the best way to become familiar in a new product and obtain the necessary skill sets in a short space of time. You'll be provided with regular training in a position requiring high technical skills i.e if you're taken on as a graduate trainee in an IT consultantncy. Whereas as a school tech or apprentice you have to be more creative with how you obtain the necessary training. The big difference is there is little or no structured training provided.

    Things like the CCNA is now offered over a 12 month period at local acadmies, but even the relatively low cost of the academy CCNA courses is too much for some schools.

    Microsoft courses are also available at local colleges, but they're not as mature as the Cisco academy, and the experience can be very variable.
    The CCNA learning experience can also be variable if it isn't at one of the regional acadmies. As a lot of instructors are straight out of uni with no real-world experience beyond a few months in a school or college as part of a FYP or MSc dissertation.

    If you need to learn something like Oracle or Sharepoint and you haven't got £1000+ for a 3-5 day course you're stuck with CBT, books and forums.

    Nothing wrong with that ofcourse, i'm sure a lot of sharepoint gurus have never been on any kind of formal training. But classroom training is a
    nice way to learn a lot in a short period of time without getting distracted.

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