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    Re: What Do I need to get into school ICT...

    I'm 20, however, I'm on a placement year from university. I'm actually on a Multimedia Computing degree and my placement year has put me into education... I've taking a little bit of a likening to it though.
    The only related qualification I hold is a Cisco CCNA1 which was part of one of my modules at uni. I did all the work for CCNA2, however, at the time I didnt think i'd need it and so didnt pay to attend the final exam (stupid!).

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    Re: What Do I need to get into school ICT...

    Hey. I've posted this before, so this is a repost, but I think the information is valuable.

    I've had some experience in the area you are discussing. You see I went to Uni after leaving school, and pursued a Science Degree, as I really was not to sure what I wanted to do.

    After completing this, I went to work for a electronics retailer, and it was here where I picked up my interest in IT.

    I went looking for a job, without ANY luck! So I decided at the time, the best thing to do was to increase my qualifications so I could get into IT. I did a Masters in IT and then again went looking for work. No luck! The qualification was not specific enough to persuade anyone to hire me.

    So I started working for PC retailer and then went and increased my qualifications further. This time I did an A+ in Hardware and Software, my Microsoft Certified Professional course, A Help Desk Analysis Certification and my Novell Netware certifications.

    One thing that REALLY helped me getting my job was the last course than ran. It was Job interview skills.

    The main point I got from it (which I hadn't been doing) was to ring the prospective employer and find out about the job, and then tell them what you have been doing. I always got a job interview out of this.

    After 2 weeks, I had 3 Job offers. I accepted one in a School, and after 9 months I became the IT Manager. I have never looked back. Its a great job, and it get even better throughout the holidays!!

    So my advice? If you've been offered a job, take it. Experience counts for a lot more than the qualification.

    If you can fit it in whilst doing your job, Increase your qualifications by doing a degree, so you can get better pay.

    Then do the extra qualifications if you want to branch out.

    Good luck!

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    Re: What Do I need to get into school ICT...

    Some times I wish I had tried harder in college and gone to uni
    but on other had I don have student lone to pay off and thou I not earning much at all at the moment i getting first had experience I getting qualifications from one day a week at college and i started working threw networking + and A+ (well i will once i finish reading threw the networking + book again)

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    Re: What Do I need to get into school ICT...

    If your 15 going to college and then Uni means 5 years from now unless you have managed to get experience along the way you will be a grad with no experience and still find it difficult to get into a decent IT job. Yes a lot of jobs ask for a degree, but they ALWAYS ask for experience. If you are lucky you can land a tech job for your summers through Uni, but if like most people you need any job for the cash you cant always be so picky about where you work.

    My advice would be to aim to get to uni, but try getting into an IT job first. You can always train on the job and availability of getting qualifications outside of work is fairly widespread. You may need to do some voluntry work in order to get your first job, but even if you start work at 18, by the time you are 21 you could have 3 years experience andl IT qualifications which would make you more employable than an IT grad with no experience.

    If you struggle to get an IT job, then you can still carry on in education and go to Uni.

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    Re: What Do I need to get into school ICT...

    apprenticeship all the way... thats how i got into it, and thats how you can beat the uni people with the 3 years extra experience you will have plus more relevant qualifications.

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    Re: What Do I need to get into school ICT...

    Quote Originally Posted by Joanne
    apprenticeship all the way... thats how i got into it, and thats how you can beat the uni people with the 3 years extra experience you will have plus more relevant qualifications.
    But just think of all those days you didn't waste with your housemates drinking till god knows what time and then waking up and starting to drink again because it's night time again!

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    Re: What Do I need to get into school ICT...

    > I'm rather curious about getting a job in ICT...

    Anyone else get the impression that last week must have been Year 10 - Thinking About Careers in PSE lessons country-wide? You don't have to pick a career off of the careers office list at age 16 and stick with it until you're 65 any more. It is perfectly allowable to move jobs, careers or even countries as much as you like. Also, if you don't like the look of any of the named jobs on offer, feel free to simply make your own up.

    > I just wanted to know what kind of things I'd need to learn to get a
    > decent job in a school/office. Would I need to go to Uni?

    University would probably be a good idea, yes. Are you planning to do A-levels post-16, or something else? Either way, it's defiantly worth going into further education of some kind post-18. Also, try and get the hang of enjoying maths and reading - maths will come in handy for dealing with computers, and having the trick of being able to quickly skim through an 800-page manual defiantly will.

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    Re: What Do I need to get into school ICT...

    Quote Originally Posted by torledo
    My personal opinion is, although this is an education professionals website, if you're 15 or 16 and looking to get into IT the school environment is not what people should be aspiring to, there is a going to be a huge skills shortage in certain areas of IT in industry and the public sector, and they'll be no shortage of opportunities for talented graduates with some practical experience, what a waste if you're doing the thankless task of being a school tech five or six years from now.
    Im currently on my placement doing network support. you say that theres going to be a huge skills shortage in certain areas of IT in industry, what areas are these?

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    Re: What Do I need to get into school ICT...

    I'd always suggest a solid educational qualification - because it gives you options in the future. Specific IT quals are great - BUT - they are specific and date pretty quickly, and will be little use if you decide you fancy a career change in the future - even becoming a teacher will need a degree and its sight harder to get once you've started full time employment.

    My degree is in Engineering & Finance - but it allowed me to get a job in IT when I wanted a change - I don't think an MCSE or CCNA will get you a start as a teacher or accountant.

    With such a high proportion of people getting higher awards nowadays - you're going have limited choices in the future without a degree - IMHO

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    Re: What Do I need to get into school ICT...

    Working in education, I'm not going to say qualifications are a waste of time but they're pretty much the last thing I look at when I'm going through application forms!

    Experience counts for far more (and I do know how difficult it can be to get that when you're starting out - voluntary work is often the only way to do that and even that can be difficult. We now have to turn away volunteers unless they're enrolled at the college)

    I think the web can help - if you can demonstrate to a potential employer how you've helped others (eg through forum posts) then I would say that looks good. You can also put together your own web site with "handy hints" etc. What I'd guess you have to try and do is try go get together a whole portfolio of things which you can show a potential employer.

    Age is absolutely not an issue as far as I'm concerned. I don't work on the basis that young=inexperienced=no-use any more than the opposite is true. Often, young=enthusiastic and willing to learn which, to me, is pretty useful!

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    Re: What Do I need to get into school ICT...

    Quote Originally Posted by aliv25
    Quote Originally Posted by torledo
    My personal opinion is, although this is an education professionals website, if you're 15 or 16 and looking to get into IT the school environment is not what people should be aspiring to, there is a going to be a huge skills shortage in certain areas of IT in industry and the public sector, and they'll be no shortage of opportunities for talented graduates with some practical experience, what a waste if you're doing the thankless task of being a school tech five or six years from now.
    Im currently on my placement doing network support. you say that theres going to be a huge skills shortage in certain areas of IT in industry, what areas are these?
    I'm assuming you're part way through an IT related degree, in which case
    there are a number of industry skills shortages you'll be able to take advantage of. PM me with some info on what area you're interested in i.e
    network, server systems, databases, development etc. and I can make some suggestions if you like. I can also let you know what i think the really opportunities are going to be, may not suit you're current interests but as a graduate you can make you're choices.

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    Re: What Do I need to get into school ICT...

    This is all personal opinion but finding the first job is the most important part not the qualifications most jobs will train you to a standard where you can pass the exams with your eyes closed... well to an extent you would need to try hard etc etc but the point is you can always go back into education whenever you feel like it and having the practical experience at a younger age put you ahead of your competition instantly

    never mind that your first job will more than probably be around people that have all the qualifications and experience to guide you, its not like you will be running a network single handedly as a first task learn from them and get paid to do it, thou your lack of experience will deffo mean you will be on a low rate of pay but the experience is priceless!

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    What's with all the degree talk?! It's experience that counts, qualifications second!

    I'd say get a job in IT first. Yes, it might be hard, but there's room to make it. A lot of school's employ apprentices. Yes, rubbish wage but it's a start.

    My story: Started in 2004 as apprentice, on mere £50 a week. This lasted for 4 months before the school offered me a permanent contract on a proper salary.

    Finished my NVQ's - School put me on day release to uni. Couldn't finish that as changed jobs, but started again at night college. Now I'm well on my way to a degree with no debt to show for it and MASSES of experience. Put that up against a university leaver and see which one would get the job.

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    Re: What Do I need to get into school ICT...

    Mainly you need a lack of sanity to work in this field!

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    Re: What Do I need to get into school ICT...

    Quote Originally Posted by kerrymoralee9280
    What's with all the degree talk?! It's experience that counts, qualifications second!

    I'd say get a job in IT first. Yes, it might be hard, but there's room to make it. A lot of school's employ apprentices. Yes, rubbish wage but it's a start.

    My story: Started in 2004 as apprentice, on mere £50 a week. This lasted for 4 months before the school offered me a permanent contract on a proper salary.

    Finished my NVQ's - School put me on day release to uni. Couldn't finish that as changed jobs, but started again at night college. Now I'm well on my way to a degree with no debt to show for it and MASSES of experience. Put that up against a university leaver and see which one would get the job.
    But a university leaver with a 2:1 or 1:1 (good institiution or good degree course) can likely aim higher than a job in a school. It's not a guarantee of landing a good job, and there are a lot that struggle, but you've got more options. University grads are more likely to specialise and therefore attract higher salaries. A years experience in IT as part of the degree and a minimum 2:1 and then it's all down to how that individual does in the selection process.

    For a job in a school, yes an apprenticeship or college course is more suitable. But the IT skills shortages I'm bangin on about will be in specialisms. School jobs are jack of all trades by nature.

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