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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMDStreet View Post
    .... the final group interview revealed something new that wasn't in the job description or the person specification. It was essentially a Senior Leadership Role. Now the list of jobs attached and the management of all document management, budget bids, proposals, senior leadership decisions and future planning and a whole raft of other 'management' type roles added onto that would be insane.

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    This is utterly ridiculous anyway - you can't interview people and introduce this sort of thing at the last minute

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    From what I can read on the job advert from the school website, I do not know why they want two people doing the same job for a junior school (although one look a bit more superior due to the Job Title). I work in a primary school and I can manage most of things stated in the job description.

    I guess from my opinion, this could be

    1. The head teacher would like to reduce your workload?
    2. You are not capable of doing the job and need someone who has more knowledge in IT to supervise you, because the head teacher can not manage you due to the level of IT knowledge?
    3. The head teacher could be panicking about the new computing curriculum coming in September?
    4. The school has too much money to spend on IT personnel?

    If I were you, I would re-assess my qualification, skills and experience whether I met all essential requirements and then challenge the head teacher, why I am not suitable for the job. If I can not meet all the essential requirements then I do not have any points to argue, but if I do, I would be in a better position, because the school has not filled the vacancy.

    And if they want, they can advertise for a new ICT Technician.

    Lastly, could you please ask someone (admin team) to update the information on the job advert as the information given is not consistent?

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    @supawat1 I am of the same opinion, this is why I initially applied for the post, and the JD reflected what essentially my role within the school was currently. I have now been told to use the original JD to create what I think my JD should now reflect.

    In response to your points:

    1. The head teacher and the business manager want to reduce their workload. I have asked for performance management regularly for the last year since academy conversion. All other members of staff have received performance management and the required CPD aspects to have a better understanding of their job role with performance based pay reviews. I do believe I am the only member of staff left to receive any.
    They also feel the need to advance the ICT structure within the schools from a technical and curriculum standpoint to allow improvement for all aspects of the curriculum and day-to-day working of the school.

    2. I agree with point this point slightly. I am not capable of managing the role on a “Senior Leadership” and curriculum based level. As it was previously advertised it was geared more towards a technical area. Implying I would be sharing a workload with management responsibility of a “junior” technician. I was happy with the possibility of myself taking the role. However this changed dramatically as they were looking for someone to manage budgets, curriculum, community and technical. I am a tech. My role includes all of these aspects and I am not able to keep up with the greater responsibility of that role and I am comfortable with it.

    What I am not comfortable with is someone coming in with a tech role on the same pegging as me and delegating all of the grunt work and being paid substantially more for something I have been doing on my own for the past 7 years. Currently the Head and the Business manager control all aspects of ICT overall within the school.

    One prior example is the introduction of a new Wi-Fi installation 4/5 years back. The install was carried out over the holiday by the council and I returned with a scrap of paper detailing the access passcode and that was all. Another is the introduction of 120 laptops to the school. With no planning for their introduction I was left with connecting all of the power cables to the trolley unit and no knowledge of a local administrator password for the systems. Poor communication in that aspect caused more hassle that good for the management of ICT on my own.

    They regularly purchase hardware and software and assume it is compatible. If not, I am lumbered with the responsibility of working to a very limited deadline. With the “Strategic Lead for ICT” in place they can say nowhere as I currently have to bow my head and say “yes boss” because I am just support staff and my say in invalid. Someone on the same level of technical knowledge will be able to argue the case for and against.

    3. Unfortunately he is not panicking, they have recently employed a teacher with “ICT Specialism” no idea what that requirement displays as of yet but apparently she is very enthusiastic and “seems to know what she is doing”. I haven’t met her yet so I can’t judge.

    4. They probably do. Shame none of it comes my way for my ever expanding work load. This all came about because I said to them that I felt I required “management” time to get the little niggly bits done once a week/fortnight (these included updating the website, paperwork etc.)

    After my feedback from the interview the other day I understand what they want but they don’t know how to show that in the job advert. This is why it is inconsistent. The previous advert compared with the new one if massively different yet somehow still the same.

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    Regarding the introduction of Wireless Network and laptops purchases. The head teacher has the overall authority to do so, therefore you cannot complain about it. Because you are the IT Technician, you are expected to make those stuff works regardless, because you are employed to do the work.

    There must be a reason why you are not suitable for the role (they just cannot dislike you), professionally speaking, these could come down to your qualifications and training as you demonstrated that you have enough working experience and skills.

    You said you have been working there for 7 years. Have you had any recent IT/ Management training?

    Obviously I do not know what you discussed with the head teacher during the feedback meeting in details.

    But I would ask the head teacher again whether you could have a suitable training for your personal development plan, so that you may qualify for the future vacancy?

    If you have all the essential requirements stated in the person specification and you are still not suitable for the role then you may need to ask for an advice from a Union rep, if you are a member (although this may break down the relationship between you and the head if you get a union involve). So you may have to consider this option as the last option.

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    @supawat1 I understand the overall authority. Wasn't really complaining. Pre-warning is always a nice thing.

    after the feedback there was a very clear understanding of why I wasn't suitable. I was happy with this. Mainly due to the fact that I cannot support to the fullest the management of the ICT within the school from a paperwork, funding bids, purchasing etc standpoint. I do very minor aspects of this role on a regular basis but again, overall say is down to the headteacher. They want someone who can challenge that and take on the responsibility.

    I have not had any recent IT/Management training. I am studying for various things off of my own back and constantly learning. I am the ICT Technician afterall. I am the first line support. As you said the Headteacher has overall say, so I just do as I'm told in a sense.

    The idea of the Strategic Lead is to present a more robust ICT working team within the school to ensure we can meet the standards of the new curriculum. They will also be responsible for my training and performance management and personal development requirements. This in turn will help me better myself and give me a better shot if the vacancy were to become available again.

    I have the majority of the essential requirements, just not the management skill. I deal with the small scale budgets and currently having the responsibility of upwards of 100k scares me slightly. My experience with Unison has been not the best so I am a little cagey about speaking to them. I have now however created the JD for myself as requested by the Head and hopefully this will benefit myself and the school as it is much better and more detailed that my original and only version of my JD from when I was employed as the full time technician.

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    I had the same problem with Unison, if you problem doesn't fit in with their agenda they don't want to know. Try having a word with Voice, they've been brilliant for me.

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    Unison has spread itself too thin in recent years to fight individual battles very well in many areas (though not all). I wouldn't say they "don't want to know", just that it's difficult to commit the resources sometimes.

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    If you are currently happy where you are, then that's a good thing.

    Always keep up to date with relevant training as I am sure your school can pay for you, e.g. ITIL, Prince2, HND, Degree.

    At my school, the senior management team is very encouraging for their staff to take relevant training.

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    Re: Unison, my experience of them has not enamoured them to me. I had some stuff going on at one of my schools that I felt they should record as, while my situation fell out of their purview, it did speak to the attitude towards staff (at least 2 other staff had lodged formal complaints). They didn't show any interest in recording what I had to say.

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    Mine hasn't necessarily either, but I can understand how they've got to where they are today even if I don't like it that much.

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