General Chat Thread, Teacher stabbed to death at school in Leeds in General; Originally Posted by gwendes
Originally Posted by abillybob
As a result they are not scared of getting into trouble as ...
29th April 2014, 02:54 PM #76
Going to have to say that's certainly not rubbish as I've had more than a handful of the staff divulge this exact fear to me in private conversation in the two-and-a-half years I've worked here. It's 'safer' to placate (or, in effect, bribe) an unruly child into a compromise than it is to directly challenge them and try and push them back into obeying the rules fully. This is because the child still feels that they 'got their own way', whilst the situation has at least been mitigated, though not resolved.
Originally Posted by gwendes
29th April 2014, 02:54 PM #77
i dont see that most kids will hold doors, step aside etc to the point of actually getting in the way more than if they had just walked by and thats over several schools some of which in "bad areas".
Originally Posted by LeMarchand
i also wonder about wether marking people out as special for the slightest little thing isnt a bad idea. Take something like adhd is it diagnosed more because more people have it, its easier to diagnose or because its easier to deal ith a kid whos drugged up to be more docile (i suspect in a lot of cases its the latter and they dont get enough exercise). I suspect alot of probelms stem from not saying NO to kids and not allowing them to make mistakes. I know as a kid i fell of my bike and otherwise injured myself im not sure kids are given the freedom to do that now and if you dont learn your limits by from time to time going too far how do you learn what you can/cant do
29th April 2014, 02:55 PM #78
@penfold has rounded it up brilliantly, that is all I was trying to say I think this thread is going off in a slight tangent now. After watching "Teen Killers" it angered me that even though child X had brutally murdered his Mother and Farther, child X was complaining about how his childhood wasn't good and that they came from a broken home, the show played sad music at this point as if trying to express sympathy to the viewer for the teenager who killed his mother and farther in cold blood. I PERSONALLY don't think that is a viable excuse for killing your parents or anyone for that matter and wish people would stop using it as an excuse. This is what I'm trying to get across it was @gwendes that bought up the factor about mentally unstable people, I was merely putting my views across!
Originally Posted by penfold
29th April 2014, 03:32 PM #79
Every society has its handful of nutcases and morons. Wasn't a baby left for dead in a street in China at some point last year? This from a society which has capital punishment and very strict ethics.
I hated school, hated my parents for frog marching me to the school gates, took solace in listening to rebellious music. But would I have ever dreamed of laying a hand on my parents, teachers etc? No!!
29th April 2014, 03:42 PM #80
I wasn't trying to speculate, I was trying to highlight that without knowing the circumstances (which may never change) there are hundreds of possible reasons of why this has happened, ranging from the well-liked teacher having a previously unknown dark streak to a mentally and emotionally damaged young child making an impulse decision that they'll regret from the rest of our lives. I wasn't aiming to imply that's what I thought had happened, though.
Originally Posted by AMLightfoot
Unfortunately that's all too common in China, I believe. The one-child policy often results in baby girls being abandoned and the state not informed of their existence as the census is to have 'strong, male' children that will become rich, powerful, and pass on your family heritage.
Originally Posted by superatticman
Last edited by Garacesh; 29th April 2014 at 03:48 PM.
29th April 2014, 03:47 PM #81
29th April 2014, 04:20 PM #82
Maybe not - it can certainly be traced to the beginning of the century and it is verifiable by observation
Originally Posted by Earthling
This thread is too heated to contribute to now- I'm happy to discuss by PM or an open letter format by blog though.
29th April 2014, 04:39 PM #83
Why do you get to decide that someone having a traumatic isn't a behavioural/mental problem. PTSD is serious, for example... That's my point really, you're trying to create a division between these sorts of crimes when even medical professionals and psychologists struggle doing just that.
Originally Posted by abillybob
Thanks to localzuk from:
Theblacksheep (29th April 2014)
6th May 2014, 09:55 AM #84
6th May 2014, 09:59 AM #85
Jesus Christ... What the [censored] is going on?
Originally Posted by Grey-gear
That's 3 in rapid succession.
6th May 2014, 10:00 AM #86
Also this: BBC News - Primary school boys 'poured bleach in teacher's coffee'
What the heck is happening to these kids to drive them this far?
6th May 2014, 10:04 AM #87
Originally Posted by Garacesh
Warwickshire Police confirmed officers had attended the school on Tuesday and added the boys "did not realise the seriousness" of what they had done
.Police said it had been an "isolated incident", which was dealt with internally by the school
Plead ignorance and there's no consequences. They're the older side of Primary, so at or above the age of criminal responsibility.
6th May 2014, 10:09 AM #88
Hopefully there is no more case like this
6th May 2014, 10:14 AM #89
I'm sorry, but when I was in primary school, I certainly understood that bleach and other cleaning products (which I suspect is what it means by bleach-like) were not to be ingested.
Originally Posted by X-13
6th May 2014, 10:16 AM #90
From the Telegraph. Internal exclusion seems about right for the bleach incident since they didn't know better. Full exclusion is always a final resort.
"With the cooperation of their parents, the two pupils concerned were removed from their normal lessons and were disciplined by the school, in a manner consistent with the school's normal pastoral policy.
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