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    RIP!!!

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    thoughts and prayers to the students staff and the teachers family.

    Horrific

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    Thoughts are with all involved.

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    Yup with all friends and family and the poor people who witnessed such a terrible event it must scar you forever

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    What a horrible and senseless act of violence to have taken place, thoughts and condolences to all involved

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    Awful. Just awful.

    What have we come to in this country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthling View Post
    Awful. Just awful.

    What have we come to in this country?
    I don't think it's fair to say "we" have come to anything. This student does not represent the majority.

    Sad day for the school. My heart goes out to all affected.

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    This is truly awful - thoughts with her family and friends. You're right, she sounds like she was well liked. RIP xx

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    Here's a bit of a rant for you guys if you can call it that. I find kids nowadays just aren't scared of staff anymore, I remember as a child in both Primary & Secondary school I was scared of doing something wrong as their would be bad consequences, heck we even got weeks detention if my top button wasn't done up, yet we have students here in year 6 wearing bright white Nike trainers! I think respect for teaching staff has deteriorated over the years, I had a year 6 child tell me to F off yesterday and all he's getting is a slap on the wrist (not literally, just a small telling off) if I'd of done that back in school I'd of got Suspended or chucked out no questions asked.

    I think staff are now more scared of the children since all this rubbish around the fact we can't touch them or even shout at them as they could go off to the parents and say we are bullying them, it's ridiculous and children of today just don't know the consequences of their actions. If I was naughty in the street a police officer would and did slap me around the back of the head in front of friends and tell me not to do it again, god forbid if he was to do that now it's child abuse to the limit apparently.

    I think laws need to be put in place to give authoritative people such as Police, Teachers etc.. more freedom to give out punishments, I'm not saying go back to caning or anything silly like that but the fact I'm not even allowed to make a child write out an A4 piece of paper of Lines is ridiculous. I find it's more so staff that are worried about the children and no longer is it the other way round, which not only damages their education but staff careers.

    Parents play a big role too, I was also scared of doing anything otherwise if they told my dad I'd be in BIG trouble when I got home and that was worse then getting told off at school, but there's no discipline anymore from the parents only a fair few actually care if their child is doing something wrong at school, maybe if there was these scare factors you would find the kids would calm down and things like this would become less frequent.

    Please understand these are my own views and this doesn't represent every student, member of staff or parent, just what I see as the majority. Things like this make me sick and my heart goes to the family, let's hope justice is served and he doesn't get a reduced sentence as he's under 18!
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    Yep when my Grandfathers friend was a teacher he had unhappy parent visit (massive Welsh miner kind of chap). After the teacher explained the situation the parent put little Joney across his lap and smacked him fully supporting the teacher. Would not happen today. The child involved sees lying down in the gutter with a bullet hole thorough his head as a carer option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abillybob View Post
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    Here here...I believe I work in a school with a similar situation in the local area to the college in the news, and am a constant witness of abuse described by yourself.
    There are a few bad apples and ofc it rubs off on some of the more easily influenced children.

    Let's just say I am definitely going to think twice about confronting the next student who kicks my office door open, especially when the police are already called out on average 3 times a week.

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    What a terrible tragedy. What on earth could have happened to cause the kid concerned to do this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roberto View Post
    What on earth could have happened to cause the kid concerned to do this?
    We can only speculate and may never know. Because of the childs age a lot of this case will be unreportable for legal reasons. BBC mentioned this morning that she was a Head of Year. If that's the case, then it may not be too difficulate to speculate how such a tragidy might occur. We are a small rural school, and yet we too get our fair share of troubled teens, often with highly disruptive home lifes, that pastoral staff are expected to deal with on a daily basis.

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    Completely agree. The lack of respect is damaging the learning of all children. Teachers are being undermined by unruly students and there's nothing they can do about it. Harsher sanctions can be put in place but there's no way to force a child to show adhere to them. I've seen it plenty of times when I've had to go up to our LSU, the 'naughty kids' refuse to do work and the staff there can tell them until they're blue in the face, but there's no way they can actually make them do it. They have their phone out and if a staff member makes a move to take it off them they put it in their inside blazer pocket because they know staff can't go for it (especially if the student is female).

    Children now seem to only be afraid of physical harm, and they know that if a teacher physically hurts them (or even restrains them) they can be held seriously accountable for it (though don't get me wrong, accountability is always a good thing). I recall at one point having to investigate CCTV footage of a member of staff who had to physically restrain a student and escort him to isolation because this child was claiming the member of staff was unreasonable and malicious. Upon watching the footage, the child had actually attacked the member of staff, yet had the cheek to try and make the member of staff out to be violent and aggressive!

    The problem, I believe, lies with the grounds of physical punishment. I'm not advocating it hitting a child, but they need to punished with some kind of physical activity - make them clean the building with the site staff, for example. Detention just isn't good enough as some outright refuse and don't show up, others sit there on games for half an hour. And the ones that don't show up, what happens? An escalated detention for a longer period of time. They refuse. Another detention, this time with the Head. What happens when they keep refusing? Well... Nothing. You can't just fire kids off who refuse to stand by the agreement they entered into when they became a pupil. And if you do finally manage to exclude a child, you have to take in one that got kicked out of someone else. The cycle continues.

    Schools definitely need more power in how they are able to punish the children. I've seen 'good' kids start to slip because the authority of the teachers is constantly being undermined by a select minority. I'll admit that's what it is - a select minority - most of our kids are good kids. But when the person who is supposed to be in charge is consistently and repeatedly being seen as not being able to have control, there is a knock-on effect.

    But alas, I'm not the one who makes the rules.

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    Wait...when did giving lines get banned? I remember being terrified of having to do those in middle school (our teacher called them definitions and we had to handwrite words and their meaning from a dictionary).

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