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    Big problem for us native Cornish is we have in many cases been priced out of our County of birth. I just wonder how many true Cornish people there are left? This latest European gesture seems a hugely futile waste of money to me. It's a bit like the stupid regulations saying that Cornish pasties can't be called Cornish pasties unless they are made in Cornwall. Last I checked a so called cellophane big brand Cornish pasty it's list of ingredients contained all manner of additives. Add to that at least one founder / owner of a very well marketed Pasty company roots are the Indian Continent unless my eyes were deceiving me! Worst thing that happened to Cornwall was that road being carved down it's backbone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew_C View Post
    and 35% from the export of pasties.
    Cornish Pasties don't come from Cornwall, they get made elsewhere driven over the border and driven back. (all legal)
    Apparently the Cornish fairies make the price jump by Ł2 at the border.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speckytecky View Post
    Big problem for us native Cornish is we have in many cases been priced out of our County of birth.
    The Cornish don't have the monopoly on that!

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    I have to agree with @GREED, I'm all for preserving history, it needs to be done. History and heritage are important to a lot of people. But to actively try to protect or revive something that's dwindling out..
    It's like not the ecosystem where a species needs to be revived because it plays a vital role. If a language is dieing, let it. Remember it. Celebrate it if you want. But let's not try and revive it just for heritage sake. If a language dies out, there's usually a progressive and logical reason for that, and it shouldn't be categorised as explicitly 'bad'.
    By that argument then the Welsh language would have died out as well and it nearly did appart from the North and West without the aid that it recieved. How would a Yorkshire person feel if their dialect died?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    Quite. Welsh is fine, as a large preportion of Welsh People I know speak it fluently and have customers that only speak welsh (they were never raised to speak English). As for Scottish and Irish, I don't think many people speak it (in proportion to the population).
    An amusing fact is the military used to have Welsh fluent people sending orders round. If the enemy intercepted them they had no way of knowing what the orders contained because Welsh speakers were very rare outside of Wales. Different world today though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeMarchand View Post
    The Cornish don't have the monopoly on that!
    Tell me about it, just back from a visit to whats left of the Family in North Devon, no blokes left we all migrated for work reasons a long time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E_G_R2 View Post
    By that argument then the Welsh language would have died out as well and it nearly did appart from the North and West without the aid that it recieved. How would a Yorkshire person feel if their dialect died?
    Surely there is a problem if a language needs specific support to help it survive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by E_G_R2 View Post
    By that argument then the Welsh language would have died out as well and it nearly did appart from the North and West without the aid that it recieved. How would a Yorkshire person feel if their dialect died?
    a dialect isnt a language though. Though i would like an independent yorkshire anything to get away from the muppets in westminster

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    Quote Originally Posted by sted View Post
    a dialect isnt a language though. Though i would like an independent yorkshire anything to get away from the muppets in westminster
    We could become the UnUnited States of England

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    Quote Originally Posted by GREED View Post
    Surely there is a problem if a language needs specific support to help it survive?
    Yes but also no because it was central gov that persued the destruction of these laguages in the first place. Welsh was a very common language in the mid 1800's but died out through it not being taught in school and not recognised or used by local gov.. Some people have refered to this as 'language genocide' and has been used on many other languages as well. Welsh has revived through it being taught in schools, road signs etc..

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    It may not be a language but it is something that defines Yorkshire (and other regions have their own ID) and any loss would be bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GREED View Post
    We could become the UnUnited States of England
    Well Prior to Alfred the Greats Son Edward the British Isls was a number of states including Cornwall, Wessex, Mercia, Kent, East Anglia. I beleive it wasn't until the Normans that Cornwall was actualy overridden by the English/Normans

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    Just found this, the 2052 post-devolution map of (what was) Great Britain...

    Vote YES on Independence (of Cornwall)-danelawkingdoms.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by E_G_R2 View Post
    Yes but also no because it was central gov that persued the destruction of these laguages in the first place. Welsh was a very common language in the mid 1800's but died out through it not being taught in school and not recognised or used by local gov.. Some people have refered to this as 'language genocide' and has been used on many other languages as well. Welsh has revived through it being taught in schools, road signs etc..
    This is also how a "United States of Europe" would end up too, if it happened. We have languages all over the place in the EU, but only 2 end up being used by the EU institutions, due to a) the number of speakers and b) where the institutions are. Those 2 are English and French. Germany is also specified as a working language of the EU but it is rarely used by them.

    The issue is not one of governments wanting to get rid of languages, it is one of necessity for better global trade. Just like in the past, regional languages were a barrier to being a united country with easy trade within its borders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmcd35 View Post
    Just found this, the 2052 post-devolution map of (what was) Great Britain...

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    Those Danes are at it agains.



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