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General Chat Thread, Strike Day in General; Originally Posted by pcstru "What I find really sad is when a group of people look at another group and ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcstru View Post

    "What I find really sad is when a group of people look at another group and say 'Well they have it better than us so they should put up with it' when we should be saying 'They have it better than us so we should strive to improve our own conditions'. But no, the majority sit on the sidelines and snipe. This is exactly what the Government want, us to turn on each other while they drive through their own agenda of swinging cuts and changes with no one group with enough support to stand up to them."
    This is probably the best quote in the thread so far. I don't understand why people have such a problem with teachers striking because there are other jobs which are "worse". If you work one of these supposedly "worse" jobs, maybe try putting in effort to improve your own working conditions instead of kicking up a fuss about those who are putting the effort in.

    I do agree that if you're on strike you should be visibly on strike (like in a picket line or at a demonstration) rather than using it as an extra day off though.

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    True. We often have to bite our tongues too, when the teachers strike over terms and conditions that are still better than many of ours. But we have to keep our perspective and remind ourselves that everything is, in fact, relative.
    Or how about this: If your working conditions aren't what you want them to be, work to change them.

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    Oh, absolutely, but... ever tried "mobilising" EduGeek? :P

    I do what I can in other ways though.
    Last edited by Ephelyon; 28th March 2014 at 05:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephelyon View Post
    Oh, absolutely, but... ever tried "mobilising" EduGeek? :P

    I do what I can in other ways though.
    Tar us not with the same brush, oh @Ephelyon

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcstru View Post
    Why not address the issues raised by the teachers instead of just finding examples of people they are in your opinion better off than?

    "I mean look at dead people, they can't strike can they? Teachers should think themselves lucky to be alive, not striking. When dead people have rights, so can teachers - that's what I say."
    Absolutely this. I actually disagree with their strike in this case... but I support the right of any union/worker to strike.

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    *Packs brush away, cleans up tar*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sdrawkcab View Post
    This is probably the best quote in the thread so far. I don't understand why people have such a problem with teachers striking because there are other jobs which are "worse". If you work one of these supposedly "worse" jobs, maybe try putting in effort to improve your own working conditions instead of kicking up a fuss about those who are putting the effort in.

    I do agree that if you're on strike you should be visibly on strike (like in a picket line or at a demonstration) rather than using it as an extra day off though.

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    Or how about this: If your working conditions aren't what you want them to be, work to change them.
    Whilst I agree with your statement, in the UK education system, if you are not a member of the teaching staff, you will find very little help to change your working conditions. A union can only do so much for 1 person, you'd need to have thousands (if not tens or hundreds of thousands) willing to stand up and strike and assist with the change, and frankly, too many are timid, bullied or dont want to rock the boat for fear of losing their jobs. We are easily replaced in the education system unfortunately

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    I which I know why a unionized work force feel it alright to treat other workers like dirt effectively employment apartheid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicholab View Post
    I which I know why a unionized work force feel it alright to treat other workers like dirt effectively employment apartheid?
    How do you mean?
    Actually improvements achieved by unions often benefit others

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicholab View Post
    I which I know why a unionized work force feel it alright to treat other workers like dirt effectively employment apartheid?
    Surely it doesn't matter if they're unionised or not. There doesn't have to be some big noble thing here, people should be able to treat others how they would like to be treated. Equally, if that's not happening you may need to stand up for that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witch View Post
    Actually improvements achieved by unions often benefit others
    Most of the time, but other times [in education] there's a lot of "and we're introducing blah blah blah... FOR TEACHERS".

    Depends on where you are though. It's mostly down to what your SMT is like.

    <anecdote>I've heard tale of a school that gave special hardware/software specific training to teachers, for something they didn't even have it at the time. When they DID get it, it was exclusively used by support staff who received no training at all because "there was no money for it".</anecdote>

    Disclaimer: Anecdote is second-hand. I know and trust the person who told me. No clue what the training was for...

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    Yes, of course this happens - I suppose I was speaking more generally. I don't think it is all down to the unions though - SLT often seem to think about their "staff" meaning teachers - and often TAs too
    In fact, now I think about it, the admin staff get training as well.
    Just IT left out then

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    Quote Originally Posted by witch View Post
    Just IT left out then
    There's only so much training you can provide for the dark arts... Plus, I don't think schools want to be summoning the Old Ones just to provide SQL training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X-13 View Post
    There's only so much training you can provide for the dark arts... Plus, I don't think schools want to be summoning the Old Ones just to provide SQL training.
    I'd be very happy with a bit of Dusk Arts training - or even the Late Afternoon Arts

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    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    Whilst I agree with your statement, in the UK education system, if you are not a member of the teaching staff, you will find very little help to change your working conditions. A union can only do so much for 1 person, you'd need to have thousands (if not tens or hundreds of thousands) willing to stand up and strike and assist with the change, and frankly, too many are timid, bullied or dont want to rock the boat for fear of losing their jobs. We are easily replaced in the education system unfortunately
    Exactly and with the way Support staff are treated "You are easily replaced" tends to be the attitude. There is little we can do except all quit education which isn't going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witch View Post
    I'd be very happy with a bit of Dusk Arts training - or even the Late Afternoon Arts
    the problem to a degree is training in what its an ever changing field. Ive managed to get a course booked for powershell but thats the first in years usually i end up teaching myself as i have with bat/vbs/html and so on. It is getting to the point even in schools where you need to be less a generalist and more a specialist in x with other specialists in y to get the same stuff done that used to be one persons job

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