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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Thing with a strike is, you don't have notice the school is closing beforehand - most schools only announce the closure on the day. If you do know the place is closing in the future, then you should therefore have enough time to arrange child-care...
    Nope
    2 days notice here. Childminders are like hens teeth. There is no "should therefore have enough time" Many childminders won't take children over 8 or 9 during the day.
    Seriously, it is a huge issue and unless you have been involved with it you can't really know how difficult it is to sort out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witch View Post
    Nope
    2 days notice here. Childminders are like hens teeth. There is no "should therefore have enough time" Many childminders won't take children over 8 or 9 during the day.
    Seriously, it is a huge issue and unless you have been involved with it you can't really know how difficult it is to sort out.
    Ok, in that case, when you've had notice and you have difficulty finding childcare I can see there being an issue. However, I do have trouble thinking a business would be that arsey about a day off to look after your child due to a strike. As the latter article I posted stated, tribunals would take a flexible approach to the concept of what "emergency" would be.

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    The well-known fact that many, many businesses do get arsey about it is one of the reasons for the strike in the first place; that's why it's so disruptive. If childcare (both arrangements and costs) or time off work as an alternative didn't have the impact across the country that they do, then all it would involve is one day's missed learning, which would have only as much impact as kids being ill for a day. It's intentionally done this way, as are many strikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephelyon View Post
    The well-known fact that many, many businesses do get arsey about it is one of the reasons for the strike in the first place; that's why it's so disruptive. If childcare (both arrangements and costs) or time off work as an alternative didn't have the impact across the country that they do, then all it would involve is one day's missed learning, which would have only as much impact as kids being ill for a day. It's intentionally done this way, as are many strikes.
    The only trouble is, instead of getting directing the anger/annoyance towards the government to try and get things resolved, most people will moan at those on strike. All this does is help the government to sit on its hands smirking at the little people bickering with each other. So nothing does get resolved, so there are more strikes, so more division amongst those who work for a living, so these in government can continue to do sod all.

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    My school stayed open but my sons school was closed.
    Luckily my wife was at hand to supervise him but, its too short notice to get help.

    I dont even know if you get paid for such instances or if its unpaid leave?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil-Millgate View Post
    The only trouble is, instead of getting directing the anger/annoyance towards the government to try and get things resolved, most people will moan at those on strike. All this does is help the government to sit on its hands smirking at the little people bickering with each other. So nothing does get resolved, so there are more strikes, so more division amongst those who work for a living, so these in government can continue to do sod all.
    Does that mean we should stop striking though? Or ban strike action altogether?

    Strikes are supposed to inconvenience people. If they didn't, they'd be completely and utterly pointless.

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    But then those that should strike (emergency services and armed forces) can't because it's illegal and they have worse working conditions than teachers, worse pay than teachers and constantly put their life on the line.

    Why not put teachers on permanent 24 hour call out, in life threatening situations and then make strikes illegal...see how they'd change their attitudes about work and pay then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sdrawkcab View Post
    Does that mean we should stop striking though? Or ban strike action altogether?

    Strikes are supposed to inconvenience people. If they didn't, they'd be completely and utterly pointless.
    Not at all. What we should do is get behind the people that are striking, become one voice of discontent rather than several lots of disjointed arguing groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    in life threatening situations
    Have you not seen kids these days?!


    Or are we talking "Helpdesk reserves the right to set you on fire if we think your request is stupid"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neil-Millgate View Post
    Not at all. What we should do is get behind the people that are striking, become one voice of discontent rather than several lots of disjointed arguing groups.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    But then those that should strike (emergency services and armed forces) can't because it's illegal and they have worse working conditions than teachers, worse pay than teachers and constantly put their life on the line.
    They accepted those conditions of employment when they signed up, didn't they?
    Why not put teachers on permanent 24 hour call out, in life threatening situations and then make strikes illegal...see how they'd change their attitudes about work and pay then!
    Why not address the issues raised by the teachers instead of just finding examples of people they are in your opinion better off than?

    "I mean look at dead people, they can't strike can they? Teachers should think themselves lucky to be alive, not striking. When dead people have rights, so can teachers - that's what I say."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil-Millgate View Post
    Not at all. What we should do is get behind the people that are striking, become one voice of discontent rather than several lots of disjointed arguing groups.
    What was the turnout? Last time it was just 40%. If 100% of union members can't rouse themselves, why should we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcstru View Post
    They accepted those conditions of employment when they signed up, didn't they?
    In terms of life threatening yes, they accepted that, but until 2 years ago they were allowed to strike...the government made it illegal for them to do so, so for many hundreds of thousands...no, they didn't accept those conditions.

    Why not address the issues raised by the teachers instead of just finding examples of people they are in your opinion better off than?

    "I mean look at dead people, they can't strike can they? Teachers should think themselves lucky to be alive, not striking. When dead people have rights, so can teachers - that's what I say."
    Again no...you are twisting it. Teachers have it easy compared to many millions who don't have jobs or are working 2 or 3 to make ends meet. (at one point I worked 2 full time jobs as did the Mrs to make ends meet). Also many teachers do not know anything but the education system...they go to school, college, uni, back to teaching in schools.

    They NEED to have real world experience of a proper 9-5 job be it elsewhere in the civil service or whatever and then go into teaching. I've found those that switched from a normal job to teaching were much likely to not strike and have said that teaching was a walk in the park compared to their other jobs.

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    The last firefighters strike was Oct 2013, that's not 2 years ago. Their union is fully in support of teachers strike action.

    The "Teachers have it easy compared to" is meaningless in relation to their point about pensions. I'm sure you can find many people who are worse off than Teachers, but this isn't a race to the bottom. @sparkeh made exactly that point on page 3 of this thread :


    "What I find really sad is when a group of people look at another group and say 'Well they have it better than us so they should put up with it' when we should be saying 'They have it better than us so we should strive to improve our own conditions'. But no, the majority sit on the sidelines and snipe. This is exactly what the Government want, us to turn on each other while they drive through their own agenda of swinging cuts and changes with no one group with enough support to stand up to them."


    Wise words IMO.

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    True. We often have to bite our tongues too, when the teachers strike over terms and conditions that are still better than many of ours. But we have to keep our perspective and remind ourselves that everything is, in fact, relative.

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