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    But not all businesses have the same bottomless money pit that Google have! Also Mac still has to break the gaming market before it gets serious market share on the desktop, their ports are still after thoughts. New title on Windows, Mac port comes later even after compatibility has been cobbled together (if at all possible) on Linux via WINE.

    The only reason I stay with Windows is gaming. That looks unlikely to change significantly for a good few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quackers View Post
    They run Macs so they can run Mac OS X because they found Windows to be not secure enough after they had a breach. Not because it makes them look more professional. We use Googles Munki for pushing software to Macs its a great light weight tool.

    Its only in the last 10 years that Microsofts own tools have been up to scratch in managing Windows Clients properly. Thats why RM Connect was popular with schools in the 90's because MS's own tools were absolute junk. Even Windows 2000 did not have a fraction of the Group Policies available today.
    True but Windows kept developing tools and improving them for it's enterprise users, where as Apple after the iPhone was released haven't really made and new updates since 2007 regarding their management tools, this is why Google can't use them as Apple no longer care about the enterprise market and are just focusing on the Mobile market. If you look at the PowerPoint shown on the same page you will see Apple hasn't moved in development of enterprise management since 2007! Microsoft have always tryed to improve their management systems for enterprise users and still to this day continue to.

    It would worry me if my school bought into everything Apple and then a few years down the line I can't manage the kit we have because Apple have stopped supporting enterprise management, regarding the security issue due to the fact that Windows still dominates the whole Workstation world of course there is going to be a lot more security threats, 'm sure if it was the other way round and Mac where on top of the chart you have listed it would be Mac with the security threats. Point being whoever whether it be Mac or Windows is in the lead regarding Workstation use it will always have more security issues. So for example if everyone went out tomorrow and bought Mac and that OS dominated you would see Google slowly merging back to Windows as that would then be the most secure with hackers putting all their focus onto the major OS which is Windows.

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    Mac starting to make a real dent

    Quote Originally Posted by alexbillbridgnorth View Post
    It's something to remember though that even though Google are one of Apple's biggest customers they are quite frankly getting sick of them. Google have had to create brand new programmes from scratch to make the Apple kit work for them with no help from Apple at all, they complained and said Apple support never support us!
    It pays to do your research...

    Google built their own enterprise management system for the Macs called Simian - https://code.google.com/p/simian/ that was based on the open source Munki system. Simian is Munki on steroids built on top of Google Apps engine. They didn't build it from scratch (that would be an insult to the developers who've worked on Munki).

    Why did Google do that when there were numerous available 3rd-party enterprise management tools available for the Mac (Casper Suite, Absolute Manage, SCCM w/plugins, Munki, Altiris, FileWave, Puppet, etc.). Just why would Google spend all of that effort on Simian? Was it because "Apple never supports us"? No, it was because one of the biggest software development companies in the world didn't want to pay huge sums of money for software licensing for a system it was capable of building itself and fully controlling and customising to their whim.

    Apple doesn't provide Enterprise-level management tools (at this scale) and doesn't pretend to do so. They let other companies do this and make a good living doing it. Apple killing off their server and storage products a few years ago might have been a pretty good clue on this one.

    They stated that they use Apple Mac's as the hardware makes their company look more professional and is a perk to a Google employee to have a new Mac. This was a huge news story at one point have you forgotten about all the problems Google have had with Apple?
    Actually, Google decided to move from Windows to a Linux backend and Mac on the desktop AFTER the 2009 China hack, which apparently targeted Windows vulnerabilities. But, keep on believing that Google just has the "shiny, shiny syndrome" if you are so inclined.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06...indows_report/
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    p.s. Just for another interesting trivia about a couple of the open source tools.

    Munki (what Symbian is based on) was developed by Disney Animation. The same Disney that Steve Jobs sold Pixar to for tons of money and a company he sat on the board of for years.

    http://www.disneyanimation.com/techn...pensource.html

    Disney Animation also developed Reposardo, which is an open source version of Apple's Software Update Server.

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