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General Chat Thread, 'Teachers know absolutely nothing about the world of work' in General; Cutting remarks! Vince Cable: 'Teachers know absolutely nothing about the world of work' - UK Politics - UK - The ...
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    'Teachers know absolutely nothing about the world of work'


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    Nothing that hasn't been said on here many times! :-)

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    He may have a point but that's a bit rich coming from a politician...

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    Sweeping statements that expose a total lack of any understanding for yet another group of voters. We can now add teachers (again) to the list of disenfranchised, along with firefighters, doctors, Police, nurses, the unemployed, the retired and anyone at all who works for local government. And it's all done to save us money. Shame the debt is isn't coming down.

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    A teacher friend of mine said something very similar to this in his retirement speech at the end of his last term. I know several other teachers who think along the same lines...so it's not just outsiders who view it this way.

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    There are some teachers who don't seem know anything about the world of work outside education, particularly if they are married to teachers - I have heard many teachers talk about the hours they do with an obvious lack of understanding that others work very long hours as well. Some of them seem to think that if you work outside education and your hours are, say, 9.00-5.30, then you only work these hours.
    One teacher I know was moaning about working a 70 hour week during term-time and another friend of mine looked around and said: "I work 70 hours a week ALL THE YEAR ROUND" which shut her up quite well.

    However, that is not to take away anything from the many teachers who do work very very long hours of course, and the requirement for ridiculous amounts of data (showing EVERY child making progress in EVERY lesson) has extended their working hours to the point of stupidity.
    I also think that it is hard to apply the rules of business to teaching - some of them yes, but not all. A school is not a business and it is difficult to expect results as if it was. (I speak as a school governor of many years standing)
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    There's has been an argument in schools about how to get the right kind of politicians, ones who have a conscience and an ounce of common sense to make decisions affecting "average working" people in this county, successive groups of voters have got this wrong by actually voting because the underlying problem of course is that most politicians are privileged toffs who come from public schools and know nothing about the real world, they only know about fiddling expenses, a lack of morals and getting back hander jobs as corporate advisors when they leave office.

    But what do I know, my underlying problem is I am a graduate and it worker so what do I know about politics, conversing with mice, building planets, quantum mechanics, astral projection or motorcycle maintenance...

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    At least it been said by an MP that had a job, lives in a normal house and catches the train on a daily bases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbailey View Post
    ....... or motorcycle maintenance...
    Well I know about that....don't know if it helps though

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    Prefix the statement with "some" and he might have a point - though tbh he doesn't seem yo have a load of real world job experience himself having spent most of his life in and and around universities or in politics

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    It's a shame he choose to use a sound bite comment to highlight the particular aspect of careers advice which is who is best equipped to advice students about careers and jobs in say manufacturing (the sector is so broad that even those working within the sector would struggle to give specific advice regarding careers outside of their own experience).

    It's a very patronising comment to make anyway - even if it was made tongue in cheek, by going to university getting qualified attending job interviews and securing employment teachers are doing exactly what other graduates are doing out there in the 'real world' lol

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    I may be still asleep this morning or just misread the comment, but isn't he just stating the obvious? I'm married to a teacher and whenever she has applied for a job I tell her I can read her application form and check some aspects of it, but when it comes down it the supporting statement for the job I'm pretty much useless. The reason being that my expertise is in a different field. Why should we be surprised that a teacher wont be the best person to provide career advice, surely you would be better going to a careers adviser, or just people who work in specific sectors to speak to the children directly.

    Unless I'm missing something (which is likely) it seems like he's just making waves for the sake of it?

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    I always thought careers advice was something that was provided by more centralised services. When I was growing up, we had specialist careers advisers provided by the local authority, for example.

    Has this changed or something?

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    Dear Vince

    Please define what you class as 'work' for me then?
    Are you actually still stating that teachers don't understand responsibilities, don't have hard days, aren't up for hours completing marking! Must be all fun and games to a very important person like yourself!

    Di*k.

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    The teachers are doing what is asked of them - teaching the curriculum.
    Cable's comments could be re-phrased as 'Astronomy lecturers know nothing about plumbing!"

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