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    Quote Originally Posted by strawberry View Post
    He's not given a great example but I think he makes a valid point, Teachers don't really seem to understand how the world of work outside of academia functions.
    I agree. He stated it in a crass, insulting way but this is surely what he meant. What he SHOULD have said is that teachers are there to teach and not give careers advice, and there needs to be a better system staffed by knowledgeable, helpful people who KNOW what is available and who can really look at all the options for a young person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    I always thought careers advice was something that was provided by more centralised services. When I was growing up, we had specialist careers advisers provided by the local authority, for example.

    Has this changed or something?
    It used to be connexions but they were axed the other year and whilst I see some people have already discussed them and said the advice they gave was rubbish I guess it's also down to the calibre of people that employed to provide that advice, I heard some very good discussions on this topic on radio 2 yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plexer View Post
    It used to be connexions but they were axed the other year and whilst I see some people have already discussed them and said the advice they gave was rubbish I guess it's also down to the calibre of people that employed to provide that advice, I heard some very good discussions on this topic on radio 2 yesterday.

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    Unfortunately whatever has replaced Connexions at the local school is just as useless - the people just don't seem to be trained to explain all the career options

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    Quote Originally Posted by j17sparky View Post
    That's brilliant help compared to what we got (I'm 30 btw). We did a stupid quiz on the computer (could have been an acorn, can't remember) which told me I should be a rocket scientist.
    I'm slightly older and remember doing them. I did it twice, two different schools, for some reason. Vaguely remember it being a OMR sheet that was filled in and sent off for analysis. A dot matrix print out came back a few weeks later listing possible job opportunities. The questionnaire was easilly rigged so you knew it was going to tell you what you wanted to hear. At the time I wanted to be either in the Law or in IT - so it came back listing thing like Policeman, Barrister, and Programmer.

    I actually still have both sets of print outs at the bottom of a cupboard somewhere, along with my Egg and Spoon race certificate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witch View Post
    Unfortunately whatever has replaced Connexions at the local school is just as useless - the people just don't seem to be trained to explain all the career options
    It's being done on a shoestring with schools themselves left to pick up the careers advice so that's not a suprise tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norphy View Post
    He may have a point but that's a bit rich coming from a politician...
    His life and job experience sets him up nicely for his current career though.

    When I taught CDT I had ten years of steelworking experience.

    One of the most common things we asked in school were "when will we need this in real life after we leave school?" - especially algebra and trigonometry in Maths.

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    If you are a programmer, algebra helps understand the concept of variables IMO (did for me). Also other logic based stuff to some degree.

    Trigonometry, ask an engineer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAM View Post
    Trigonometry, ask an engineer.
    I've impressed meny a teacher with my pythagoras skills when measuring for replacement projectors

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    Quote Originally Posted by j17sparky View Post
    <SNIP>

    Can't we just make it simple again and re-open the mines? That way us plebs know exactly what we're going to do when we leave school.
    Because I didn't want to go to University, that's what my careers advice was, back in 1969. 'Well, you've got good enough qualifications to go to Cardiff (wow!) and work in a bank or you can go down the pit'.

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    A spokesperson for the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills said: “The Business Secretary was echoing concerns from industry about the need to improve the quality of careers advice in schools. He was making the point that teachers have an important role in making sure their pupils are aware of all options available to them to help them build a career. For some this may be via a graduate route but for others a vocational skill or qualification is more appropriate.”
    But how do vocational skills and qualifications stand up when it comes to league tables of A*-C grades?

    School: "Our pupils leave school with real potential to become outstanding mechanics, plumbers, fabricators, hairdressers, builders and joiners."
    Government: "But how many achieved 10 or me A*-C grades at GCSE and A level?"
    OFSTED: "Unsatisfactory"

    The whole of the curriculum emphasis has been on achieving measurable academic targets for years. Labour even set a target for 50% of school leavers to attend university. Now Vince Cable slams teachers (not schools or LEAs!) for focussing on academia and not providing enough vocational advice. I'm not being funny, but how is a French teacher, for example, supposed to give advice to someone who wants to be a bricklayer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevieM View Post
    how is a French teacher, for example, supposed to give advice to someone who wants to be a bricklayer?
    In French, I'd assume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevieM View Post
    how is a French teacher, for example, supposed to give advice to someone who wants to be a bricklayer?
    'You zer, you lay zer bricks...'?

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    Tres bien, @X-13. Plus amusant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevieM View Post
    The whole of the curriculum emphasis has been on achieving measurable academic targets for years. Labour even set a target for 50% of school leavers to attend university. Now Vince Cable slams teachers (not schools or LEAs!) for focussing on academia and not providing enough vocational advice. I'm not being funny, but how is a French teacher, for example, supposed to give advice to someone who wants to be a bricklayer?
    But the choices ARE NOT just uni or that sort of apprenticeship any more. There are companies which take on 18 year olds after A levels, train them and put them through Uni on day release - THAT is what we need more of, and what would have suited my son down to the ground, had we even knew that such things existed

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    Quote Originally Posted by witch View Post
    There are companies which take on 18 year olds after A levels, train them and put them through Uni on day release - THAT is what we need more of...
    I agree with you 100% @witch. I also think that quality vocational education and training should be more widely available way before the age of 18. By this point, many students will have become disenfranchised from education because of the academic emphasis. We also need a dedicated quality careers advice service rather than having the Business Secretary slagging off teachers for not knowing everything about everything.

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