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    My motto is "guilty till they prove themselves innocent"

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    > I'm with you guys i think he's guilty but the HM wanted to be sure
    > before suspending him

    Assuming that he is (like you say, seems likely), and assuming that he hasn't bypassed his home PC's filters, you might find you have several pupils swapping dodgy material between them. If you have an on-access virus scanner it might be an idea to create virus signatures from the files on the pupil's USB drive before you wipe it, that way you might be able to catch some of his co-conspirators copying the same files around.

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    We find that most instances of kids accessing dodgy material are when they go round to one of their mate's homes where the parents are totally clueless and let them have an unmonitored internet enabled pc up in their bedroom. They then copy all sorts of material on to their usb pens, ipods and phones. We once took out 11 kids who had distributed porn this way amongst themselves.

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    I dont understand all this censorship. I had an unmonitored PC in my bedroom from when I was 14/15 and the internet had no rules back then, no age verification or anything.

    I turned out alright.....

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    If you cant, beyond all reasonable doubt, poke holes in this kids alibi's or prove his story false then it would be totally unfair to punish him. Also, as long as whats on his stick is legal (I am assuming it is) then what business is it of the schools. Just dont allow USB drives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TekkyMatt
    If you cant, beyond all reasonable doubt, poke holes in this kids alibi's or prove his story false then it would be totally unfair to punish him. Also, as long as whats on his stick is legal (I am assuming it is) then what business is it of the schools. Just dont allow USB drives.
    If you had taken time to read the OP he states that:

    It was also full of stuff that well isn't appropriate in a school so first course of action is to suspend him.
    So therefore the student has broken school rules and should be punished.

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    I would attempt to restore deleted files.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael
    The one thing confuses me. If the memory stick just contained his school work, wouldn't any person (normally) report it missing or stolen? I know I would...
    You'd think so, wouldn't you, but no. Our Librarian typically finds three-ish pen drives a week in her area, and I get another one every week or two in the IT Suites (I don't know why they are so much more forgetful in the Library).

    Can I just throw in a curly one here. Since the pen drive belongs to the child and not the school, what rights did you have to go looking at its contents? Once you had identified its owner (and even that it dubious if challenged) you should have stopped looking at it. If someone had left their diary/day planner lying around, would you read all their appointments or just the front page with their name in it?

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    Nick I think the point is that that had to look at it to find out who's it was, they didn't find anything so they started asking around.

    The instant it's plugged in or used on the school network as far as I'm concerned it's accessable by me and i'll check it for anything I want.

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    I know it's possible using Computer Management to manually mount a USB stick as a folder in the C: drive.

    Is it possible to make this process automatic?

    *sorry for hijacking the thread, shall I start my own?

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    Does anyone have a copy of that lovely little utility that deletes all the music from iPods if they are plugged in to a Win2003/XP network? Used to use it at my old job. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halfmad
    The instant it's plugged in or used on the school network as far as I'm concerned it's accessable by me and i'll check it for anything I want.
    I will agree with you 100%. Thing being you don't know what he might have been trying to bring into school. Anything like that potential security risk and should be dealt with accordingly.

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    You can almost guarantee that he is one who put the files on the stick but without certain proof there is not alot you can do. He can claim someone else used his account even if it turns out his name has been stamped on the files.

    It boils down to getting enough evidence to make him confess. We make a point of informing pupils that they need to be responsible for their network/email accounts - your name, your account your respsonibity if it is misused. Any chance you have something like that in place and could use it to discipline? It would save you having to get definitive proof.

    As to kids reporting a USB missing - they all loose stuff all the time here that never gets picked up, it seems they dont care about how much things cost.(wow I'm sounding old :? )

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunny_nunny
    Does anyone have a copy of that lovely little utility that deletes all the music from iPods if they are plugged in to a Win2003/XP network? Used to use it at my old job. :-)
    See that to me verges on criminal damage of privately owned material.

    I can see it necessary to remove malicious or dangerous things from users memory sticks, but music? Which (although unlikely) they have paid for? Not sure I condone that.

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    Re: Detective work - help

    Quote Originally Posted by richard
    you don't know what he might have been trying to bring into school.
    Which is why we have Software Restriction Policies and anti-virus programs.

    If you find it lying around, you could argue a case for looking at it to identify the owner; if you can't find that out, then you wait for it to be claimed. I don't think you have any more right to have a look through all their files than you do to stop a random kid in the corridor and demand they empty their bag and pockets.

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