OK, hypothetical question. What if another random bit of the UK, let's say Devon, has a glut of natural resources (fracking gas). Should the government be handing that county evidence that they should become independent? Or, as the government of the UK did with Scotland, should it look at the benefits of the find for the whole country and focus on that?
Why does mere geographic location of a resource mean that the people living near it should be the ones to gain, rather than the entire country which owns it?
By highlighting historic North Sea oil, and getting upset about the fact that it wasn't directed to Scotland alone/wasn't highlighted as a Scottish thing to instil a desire to become independent, you are basically saying "screw the rest of the UK"... It makes me think that a lot of people are simply not understanding what being in a Union means - both the bad and the good.
Should we not be thinking as a whole, rather than simply about our own little slice of life?
Last edited by localzuk; 20th February 2014 at 06:28 PM.
If Scotland starts, wont be long until Wales and Cornwall start, they've been trying for decades, but lacked the gumption to follow through, and this is going to set the tone in the long run.
I think classifying the report was a farce and should never have happened.
Last edited by ZeroHour; 20th February 2014 at 06:37 PM.
If people want to break away, then they need to create reports themselves, they need to pay for it, they need to do the leg work - not expect the government to do it for them!
I think its wrong for any politician to lie knowingly regardless of their aims. A certain war had high claims of cover up etc with reports hidden away, was that the correct action as well? rather than inform the uk which would result in the people saying no they knew best and went ahead anyway.
You can't be angry about other times the gov has classified/covered up for the common good of the union and then say yeah they were correct to here, especially since you were not the one being fed the lies.
That oil horse has bolted though, but no one should be saying it was correct to lie to your people as it was for the greater good.
Last edited by ZeroHour; 20th February 2014 at 06:44 PM.
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So any classified reports about the true state of the banks is fine, in fact any lies given its *for the good of the union* are okay too? Just lies involving wars are not?
Why and where do you draw the line?
MP's serve the people, lying is never the correct action and I think if politicians were more honest and upfront our political system would be far stronger and better unlike now where general feeling is very poor. When you lie to the people to suit your own aims (as a party especially) you are not serving the people, you are keeping them dumb and uninformed. You say we have all the good parts as well as the bad as part of the union, surely those arguments should have been enough to go for the union at the last vote, lying to 5m people though as the case for staying part of the union is wrong, make the case for staying part of the union better and remove the lie about the stats. Anything else looks like the union needed our oil more than an informed populace who could decide for themselves if we want to continue.
If the Scottish Gov had a report classified I would be equally outraged, the people who are literally deciding, not the politicians, must be informed fully before voting regardless of it being in their interests of independence or not, facts are facts but by your logic its okay.
Maybe we should vote yes to force through more honesty.
EDIT: One regarding Fraking, what if there are reports covering up environmental impacts, what about reports saying flood defenses were a problem? Fraking is a big policy now *for the good of the union* so anything that says otherwise should be classified.
Likewise I wonder if there are any reports claiming removing the pound would not be a good idea financially for the rUK, we wont know as long as lying/deceit is condoned. What if there is a report saying rUK would benefit greatly without Scotland, that naturally would have to be classified too.
There should be no lying.
Last edited by ZeroHour; 20th February 2014 at 07:45 PM.
Where is the option to allow the Yes vote on the Thursday, count Friday, announce Saturday, celebrate (Scottish style!) Sunday, England invades Monday... Job done, Scotland goes back to pre William Wallace times
I have now setup the parallel poll on SurveyMapper [mentioned earlier in this thread]
It is open to anyone on the web to answer. When answers are logged the system will ask respondents where they are. The system will then plot the responses geographically.
Link: Removed: Please see my later post.
I have set up the poll to match the Edugeek poll with the exception of the poll closing date [I have set this to be the date before the day of polling in Scotland]
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