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    Re: Quick question - fast response needed

    Imagine how much trouble we could cause if we became militant?

    We'd need a wireless connection on the picket line though.

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    Re: Quick question - fast response needed

    It wouldn't be that members donate £2 to set it up ... it would be members agreeing to pay £50 a year to cover things like insurance, legal costs, perks that we can but into, protected areas of the site with information only given to those who have paid (something I seriously disagree with as we want members to provide information for *everyone*) ...

    As mentioned in the previous thread ... it is a serious undertaking and the 4700+ members also include many that would not be interested. Even if we were to get 2000+ you are looking at the organisation employing 5 people, including buying into legal services as required.

    The best bet is to all put pressure on existing unions to recognise the issues and provide support and advice.

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    Re: Quick question - fast response needed

    Well, if not a union, could we form into some sort of pressure group?

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    Re: Quick question - fast response needed

    How about talking to someone like PAT - they already have the PAtT section that is for non-teaching staff in schools - perhaps some sort of alliance could be formed with them (or someone like them) to create a good package for us techies?

    I specifically avoided Unison because I thought they seemed too close to the councils for comfort.

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    Re: Quick question - fast response needed

    Quote Originally Posted by tech_guy
    I could send the bill to Gordon Brown but his people would probably lose the cheque in the post.


    Or forget about it - oh hang on hasn't that already happened with a cheque or 2?

    I can't leave Unison 'til after next summer's holiday I might lose my ten percent discount on my holidays!

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    Re: Quick question - fast response needed

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    Well, if not a union, could we form into some sort of pressure group?
    To certain degree (granted we have done less this year) is part of what we do anyway. We always fight this fine line as membership of edugeek all have different expectations of the site. some see us/want us to be a union, some a pressure group and some a forum and it is getting the right balance to please everyone.

    We always said we work to better our membership lives be that offering free cpd to providing forum to get technical support.

    We try and pressure as many people that will listen to us on issues such as bsf, pay, jobs etc etc

    On to issue of unions and working with them we love to work with unions but they can be very closed sometimes.

    I will recall a email I had with a union person for large support staff union (no not unison) and about support staff working group I asked can they share info on it so we could keep large % of sector informed and short answer was no why should we?

    So if anyone got any person they know nationally within a union (or any org) then introduce me as said we will talk to anyone..

    If want as an idea if someone wants to put together a briefing document on issues effect technical staff in education I will make sure it gets sent to every education contact for all the support staff unions.

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    I don't know if you all remember the issue I was having with my head. He wanted me to be a Techy/TA Hybrid. Well I resigned last week and guess how my job as ICT/Network Manger has been advertised:

    ICT Teaching Assistant.................

    what do you think of that...

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    what happened in the end, did you go to a union and discuss it, what is the salary for this ICT Teaching Assistant, also what does the job description have on it, any chance of a link.
    Do you have anything else lined up now, or have you just had enough?

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    So are you saying your not being replaced then? There is no way they can advertise for an ICT teaching assistant and then expect them to be the NM. What happened to the pay scale? Have you got a link to the job?

    Sounds like your better off out of the place. Hope you got another job? Did the union help at all?

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    Ive, got a new job, that's why I have resigned.

    They pay scale for the ICT TA is lower. I am not being replace. I think he is now going to expect the ICT TA to be a techy person aswell.

    Got a feeling this is not going to work out do you
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    Ah. The assumption that all the IT back end stuff is easy. The undoing of many a school who think that paying minimum wage and giving no training to IT technical staff will encourage retention.

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    Disgusting

    On the edugeek union idea - could we form some sort of sub group under the major unions? I'd assume GMB or Unison - perhaps a dual allegiance?

    Get their backing - and be a support group to all those in our profession. They could provide the backup re legal costs (+whatever it is they provide).

    Surely they'd go for it - a chance to gain more members and the benefit to us of representation for our situation??

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegrassisgreener View Post
    Ive, got a new job, that's why I have resigned.

    They pay scale for the ICT TA is lower. I am not being replace. I think he is now going to expect the ICT TA to be a techy person aswell.

    Got a feeling this is not going to work out do you
    erm.....how short sighted is this plan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dos_Box View Post
    Ah. The assumption that all the IT back end stuff is easy. The undoing of many a school who think that paying minimum wage and giving no training to IT technical staff will encourage retention.
    You speak sense....

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