Wonder how many techies are at that school? I hope its not just 1 guy from RM expected to fix them on a Monday morning
Laptops can be charged between uses. Back to our earlier point of these devices wouldn't be used every lesson. The lessons where they aren't in use, they're (ideally) in the trolley, charging. You can't charge your tablet whilst it's in your bag.
The thing I have never understood about all these magical technologies that will enhance/transform (add any buzz words here) teaching in schools is why leave every separate school to organize and plan there own roll out.
You end up with 100s of schools all doing different things, purchasing different tablets, using it in different ways etc - which all costs HUGE amounts of money - and is often badly planned at the majority of the schools.
If this new technology (tablets this time around - and was netbooks, interactive whiteboards etc before) truly is so completely game changing when it comes to teaching - why doesn't the government roll out the technology to 2-3 pilot schools.
Learn the issues, fix all the problems, build teaching plans, curriculum and even whole school plans BASED on the technology.
Then and only then pass all this information onto schools so they can progress with their own projects knowing the money will be well spent and will actually help teaching!
It all just seems to be the tail wagging the dog.
Last edited by siuko; 17th January 2014 at 11:21 AM.
To a certain extent. But in broad strokes we should be able to offer up some generic ideas, no? It's all to easy to shout 1:1 is a bad idea without having to offer up alternatives.(example of non 1:1 solutions) That entirely depends on what the problem you're trying to solve is.
Mine isn't the only school that's grappling with these issues. Other schools have worked solutions without going down the 1:1 route. I'd be interested in hearing what they choose to do. More ICT suites? More laptop trollies? Chromebooks? Virtual Desktops?
tmcd35, what would your proposal be regarding
drained batteries? If we're going to base education around these tablets, what happens to a pupil whose battery has either discharged and not been recharged, or has failed (and to the same ends, I guess, damaged or lost/stolen devices)a multitude of different scenarios where a device is not available?
If it's low battery, would you propose charging pods in every classroom? Allow the kids to bring their chargers with them and plug them into wall sockets? Keep spare devices charged up to loan out? Most tablets don't have replaceable batteries like laptops do, so how would you personally provision for this?
What if the device has been damaged or stolen? Spare devices are again an option but you're still shelling out for more devices this way.
Although it's been brought up repeatedly, I can't see sharing or loaning a device as an option, due to the one-user design of tablets. There's no way $User on Device1 can access their files on Device2 if it's 1:1 devices that get to go home, not without some serious kludging and infrastructure re-work. Whilst I'm not against infrastructure moving forward when appropriate, this also should be factored into the cost and difficulty of implementation. It's not just "Buy $tablet, get smarts."
Last edited by Garacesh; 17th January 2014 at 12:01 PM.
We seem to have strayed from the OP slightly, although this is just as meaningful. And I have long professed the same mantra: You don't need to buy and have a tablet because it can do the same job as pen/paper/phone/computer/
. If it does it better, faster, easier, and has a proven benefit long term for the user regardless of who it is, then great, but not just get it for the sake of have them (or worse, boasting you have them).
Theft/Damage? Depending on what part of the issue you are looking at it's a combination of a pastoral/head of year level problem, police problem, and insurance problem.
WebDav? Why are personal documents being stored on the device at all?There's no way $User on Device1 can access their files on Device2 if it's 1:1 devices that get to go home, not without some serious kludging and infrastructure re-work
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A child comes into School. $teacher has planned a lesson based around the tablets for today. "Miss/Sir, someone tried to mug me yesterday and now my $tablet screen is smashed. I can't use it for this lesson." What do?
Last edited by Garacesh; 17th January 2014 at 12:35 PM.
The problem with iPads is the implementing them. I don't have a single issue with them I think they're smart, nice looking, easy to use devices! The issue being here is that it's very hard to implement 100 of them when there is no such thing as wireless management (except for MDM) but that has still a lot of limitations. Kids are freely available to delete any of the settings causing me countless amounts of problem. A lot of teachers buy them and wonder why the internet is slow (because you didn't research and invest in a system that can handle that many wireless devices). They are made to be personal devices on a personal account Apple didn't think they'd be used this much in education and now they're trying to adapt even with most of the schools running a Windows based network. They struggle to work with proxies and that's all Apple kit. They don't support NTLM authentication creating issues with systems like Smoothwall.
Unfortunatley it is this which is the issue, all these things it's the implementation of them into an already existing network is extremely hard and difficult. You don't have the freedom to manage them like you can with Windows based products. I visited a school in Swansea that gave all their children 1:1 iPads and he had to stop county's fibre connection and buy in standard home broadband connection so they didn't need to use a proxy, they don't do any filtering they now need to "trust their kids" he has had to get a MacBook and syncs them using Apple configurator and that's it now that all of his network been adapted to iPad use, there were a lot more things but I cba to name them all.
I think any new technology like this is good to be used in schools and the ipad has great potential but Apple really need to sort out management on these devices, if they were as easily managed as laptops where this debate now wouldn't be going on period.
I am not going into the tablets are good/bad as that akin to getting into a vegetarianism is good/bad - everyone thinks they are right and no one really gets any benefit from the discussion.
SLT like the idea, I have put forward my concerns to SLT regarding such a scheme and they have been taken into consideration, it helps that I work in a place where I am seen as an important part of the machine and not just that bloke in IT.
We (head, me, hod ICT) have had three meetings about this with 3 different companies - Academia, Millgate, Jigsaw.
We have the infrastructre to cope with another 600 devices, we will be using MDM while they are connected to our network so they wont be able to do anything they couldn't on a 'school' machine. Apparently most parents are fine with the idea and the costs involved (as long as its one where they get to keep the device), the ones that genuinly cannot will be provided with a loan unit for the duration that their child is with us.
Each company has their own merits but the one we are going to further discussion and parental consultation on will be with Millgate. They are the only one we found to be offering a pool of a few devices for some of those that cannot afford to pay, a range of tablets - not just ipads, the parents get to keep the devices at the end of it, Millgate willl take care of all of the payment processing and chasing / insurance / faulty product issues.
I *just* have to get the devices here before they go out to add security/apps/mdm - this will be part of the contract with parents if we do go ahead.
Still early days but as long as its done right and the teachers actually use them as they should do, I cant see it being too much of a problem. Maybe.
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