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General Chat Thread, Shia LaBeouf Has Tweeted That He Is Retiring From All Public Life in General; Originally Posted by Garacesh Even the seagulls-following-trawlers line was ripped off! Ha! This guy just can't come up with anything ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garacesh View Post
    Even the seagulls-following-trawlers line was ripped off! Ha!
    This guy just can't come up with anything for himself, can he?
    Isn't that part of his point? He's an actor, his art is in regurgitating lines others have written. Do we expect him to have profound things to say?

    It seems a little contrived to try and crucify him for plagiarism when sites like pintrest are built on shamelessly ripping off and profiting from other peoples work. Which is more damaging to creativity? What is creativity anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcstru View Post
    Isn't that part of his point? He's an actor, his art is in regurgitating lines others have written. Do we expect him to have profound things to say?

    It seems a little contrived to try and crucify him for plagiarism when sites like pintrest are built on shamelessly ripping off and profiting from other peoples work. Which is more damaging to creativity? What is creativity anyway?
    Maybe you're missing the point? He plagiarised someone else's work by making a film of it. That was his decision, not words put in his mouth by another writer. And he plagiarises someone else's apology when apologising for plagiarising??

    Can't see how the Pintrest thing is relevant to him?

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    Hmmm, looks like he's exactly the same age in fact. And I've managed to end up a basket case even without the world breathing down my neck, so hey ho! =]

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkeh View Post
    Maybe you're missing the point? He plagiarised someone else's work by making a film of it. That was his decision, not words put in his mouth by another writer. And he plagiarises someone else's apology when apologising for plagiarising??
    He made a film for which he was accused of plagiarism to some degree. How many films plagiarise other works to some degree? Isn't every second love story just Romeo and Juliet spun out a different way?

    His run of plagiarising others words gives some credibility that the whole thing is planned performance. And it is both hilarious and thought provoking to some degree.
    Can't see how the Pintrest thing is relevant to him?
    Art should make us reflect on the context of our own lives and culture. In that his art is relevant to us, pintrest is a whole commercial enterprise based on nothing but plagiarism. So is much of the web. If you slam him for plagiarism, then anyone on pintrest should receive the same opprobrium surely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcstru View Post
    He made a film for which he was accused of plagiarism to some degree. How many films plagiarise other works to some degree? Isn't every second love story just Romeo and Juliet spun out a different way?
    The point is, he took someone's work, made his own film and didn't credit the author. Nobody is arguing that one person's work can inspire another. If you were to film Romeo & Juliet you should put something along the lines of 'inspired by William Shakespeare' rather than claim its all your own work!

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    Inspiration is fine, but as it was made out to me, he near-100% ripped off someone else, then, when he was called out on it he confessed, later publishing something else of his own work. 100%-plagiarism-free.. And then people called him out on that, too. Another near-copy of something else by the same guy (I don't have the full details right now).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkeh View Post
    The point is, he took someone's work, made his own film and didn't credit the author. Nobody is arguing that one person's work can inspire another. If you were to film Romeo & Juliet you should put something along the lines of 'inspired by William Shakespeare' rather than claim its all your own work!
    He didn't claim it as all his own work, he simply failed to credit someone for 'inspiration'. His apologies were then a series of plagiarised statements. There is also a question of whether the whole thing is intentional or unintentional. Why exactly did he make a short film in the first place? Was it his intention that it was part of a performance or is the whole subsequent performance simply to distract attention from that single act of plagiarism?

    If you are inspired by something do you have to credit it? How close does something have to be before inspiration becomes 'plagiarism'? I often watch films that are quite obviously inspired by other films, stories or art and they don't credit for inspiration. I'm not entirely sure they should. If Corrie has a plot line about two families in a feud and a daughter of one falls in love with the daughter from the other do they really have to credit Big Will? Exactly how close or far apart from some work does one have to be before you do or don't give credit?

    And then we do have sites like pintrest which shamelessly rip off for profit works of often struggling artists who simply cannot afford to do battle with those thieving **st*&ds and as a result, the web becomes unusable for them. Yet apparently, just being inspired by a work is enough to generate hundreds of column inches of press opprobrium and internet forum vitriol. And the world thinks LaBeouf is unhinged!

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    [not quite sure why that duped - perhaps I'm copying myself]
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcstru View Post
    He didn't claim it as all his own work, he simply failed to credit someone for 'inspiration'. His apologies were then a series of plagiarised statements. There is also a question of whether the whole thing is intentional or unintentional. Why exactly did he make a short film in the first place? Was it his intention that it was part of a performance or is the whole subsequent performance simply to distract attention from that single act of plagiarism?
    Not the first one, no, but the second one he certainly did. At least that's my understanding of the situation.
    From the KYM page:
    On January 7th, LaBeouf tweeted a photograph of a storyboard from his upcoming project “Daniel Boring” with the caption “Storyboard for my next short “Daniel Boring” and the hashtag “#original.” However, it was quickly revealed to be a direct lift of Clowes’ comic “David Boring.” The next day, LaBeouf posted a picture of a cease-and-desist letter he received from Clowes’ lawyer via Twitter.[8] The letter, which asks LaBeouf to avoid any further copyright infringement of Clowes’ work, included the photograph of the “David Boring” storyboard tweeted by the actor as a reference.
    Not sure if sarcasm. I'd use an #original tag sarcastically, but then again, I don't use hashtags. Or Twitter.

    If you are inspired by something do you have to credit it? How close does something have to be before inspiration becomes 'plagiarism'? I often watch films that are quite obviously inspired by other films, stories or art and they don't credit for inspiration. I'm not entirely sure they should. If Corrie has a plot line about two families in a feud and a daughter of one falls in love with the daughter from the other do they really have to credit Big Will? Exactly how close or far apart from some work does one have to be before you do or don't give credit?
    Completely valid points. Honestly you're right, there's no real way to define a specific amount. It just 'is' or 'isn't' plagiarism, objectively based on the perception of the individual.

    And then we do have sites like pintrest which shamelessly rip off for profit works of often struggling artists who simply cannot afford to do battle with those thieving **st*&ds and as a result, the web becomes unusable for them. Yet apparently, just being inspired by a work is enough to generate hundreds of column inches of press opprobrium and internet forum vitriol. And the world thinks LaBeouf is unhinged!
    Never used Pinterest. Only know if its existence because of I've heard the name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jinnantonnixx View Post
    I'm not familiar with this actor. Are we talking Nicholas Cage awfulness here?
    Woah, Woah, Woah.


    Nicholas Cage is a diamond in the rough. Yes, he makes 100's of awful films, but for every 100 awful ones, there's a diamond.

    Ever seen Lord of war? Absolutely Brilliant!
    Frozen Ground? Loved it!



    Everything else?

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    Except Face off...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradlys View Post
    Nicholas Cage is a diamond in the rough. Yes, he makes 100's of awful films, but for every 100 awful ones, there's a diamond.
    The problem with Nick Cage is that he plays Nick Cage in every film...

    Some times it works, most of the time it doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X-13 View Post
    The problem with Nick Cage is that he plays Nick Cage in every film...

    Some times it works, most of the time it doesn't.
    So Nicholas Cage is so bad he can't even play himself well 100% of the time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkeh View Post
    So Nicholas Cage is so bad he can't even play himself well 100% of the time?


    It's more that "Nick Cage" [the character] is only appropriate in a film some times.


    IIRC, Ghostrider was one of the good Nick Cage as Nick Cage films.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkeh View Post
    So Nicholas Cage is so bad he can't even play himself well 100% of the time?
    And he doesn't even credit himself when he does. The shame!

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    YOU GUYS LEAVE HIM ALONE

    HE'S AMAZING



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