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    I had written a comment on his blog post but deleted it and thought better of it.

    The attitude won't change. My negativity won't make a difference and would only get deleted after. I will say, though, that the teachers here aren't -that- bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clockend25 View Post
    The whole article irritates me.

    That's quite telling, I reckon.

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    It is quite telling actually, and is actually indicative of many of the issues we face day to day - teachers working on their own tangents and not as a team or community. I'm not bashing teachers, I'm bashing the way teachers have been trained to behave that way. The best schools work when all teachers work together to educate the kids. What I constantly see is people growling and grumbling about changes coming in, or the way things are done - but not sitting down with those who come up with the ideas and working with them to produce something workable for everyone.

    To me, the fault lies with the organisations who train teachers, and it is damaging the profession.

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    Wow teacher bashing on edugeek. Groundbreaking.

    Having been a teacher, it was a lot of hard work and long hours and tbh I pretty much slept through the first half of any holiday. I've done this job and I hated it. I'd much rather work a nice solid 37.5 hour week with weekends and bank holidays to myself instead of spending my weekends marking coursework or lesson planning. 2 days at Christmas instead of two weeks? Ah well, at least when I leave the office at 5 and drive home to my Cat and Rabbits the evening is mine to do with as I please. If I feel like sewing or watching TV or doing housework or baking I can. I don't have to make sure I'm home by a certain time at the weekend to make sure my marking is finished for Monday. I rock up to work at 8.30am ready for a day of meetings and reports instead of having to deal with the bad behaviour of Jack in year 8 and worry about differentiation for the statemented kids in year 9 and the hormone overload of the year 11s.

    There are no half measures where teaching is concerned - if teaching is not your LIFE then it isn't for you.

    Personally, I think the concept of the school year is flawed anyway - it was invented around harvesting needs when kids actually did manual labour too. IMO the school day should be structured like a work day - 8.30am-5.00pm. With Schools manned all year and pupils booking a set amount of annual leave (that way parents can co-ordinate holiday booking). That is not to say that pupils must be in structured curriculum classes for the entire period, but if we filled in time in the timetable for supervised study periods, pupils wouldn't need to do homework at home - research and report writing can be done during 'study period' in a designated location. I think pupils ought to have life skills classes - being taught about household budgeting, banking and money management, pensions, tax, rudimentary DIY, cooking and 'domestic skills'. There should be room in the school day for vocational courses so pupils can learn non-academic skills in IT, Manual trades like carpentry, electrics, plumbing etc, nursing, child care, mechanics etc etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CamelMan View Post
    I do find it really thoughtless that they sent it to all staff - its a bit of a slap in the face for all the hardworking Associate staff.
    And there in lies the Problem. I REFUSED to be called "Associate Staff"! I joined the board of governors so I could get that term removed from the school vocabulary!

    Associate - Connected to; Not a full member of; a person with limited or subordinate membership of an organization.

    I am every bit a member of the school staff, to say otherwise is just insulting. We had a science tech with a PHD, The highest quaifiied person in the whole school talked down to and basically bullied by *#&$s who think that a PGCE makes them God...

    I'm sure that there is a module in teacher training called "Advanced condesention - QTS and your right to superiority".

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeekyPete View Post
    I'm sure that there is a module in teacher training called "Advanced condesention - QTS and your right to superiority".
    Condescension.

    And no, there isn't. Some people are just douches. Don't tar all teachers with the same brush.

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    It also means directly connected. Professional, one teacher is an associate of another...

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    Most of the teachers I know work very hard and really deserve the two weeks they get off at Christmas. Most of them are grey and tired - and they have ridiculous pressures put on them. For example, last night, one day before the end of term, one teacher has been told that she is teaching cookery to the year 5's next term. (she is the specialist cookery/textiles etc teacher and normally teaches year 7 and 8 only as they are senior school). There is no scheme of work for year 5, there are only 18 sets of utensils for a class of 21 and the first lesson is lesson 2 on the first day back.
    She has spent most of last night inventing a scheme of work for the whole 8 weeks - creating resources etc and photocopying and laminating everything today. That is something that happens all the time to the teaching staff.

    It isn't that I object to the holidays at all, it is the fact that whoever wrote this obviously DOESN'T work as hard as many teachers and is enjoying the fact that others have to work when they don't - and being very smug about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMLightfoot View Post

    And no, there isn't. Some people are just douches. Don't tar all teachers with the same brush.
    With all that said, it didn't stop me marrying one... Thankfully teachers of that ilk are getting fewer as they retire. It does tend to be the ones of a certain age, and then if I am fair, only a small percentage of those. But Oh My do they wind me up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by synaesthesia View Post
    It also means directly connected. Professional, one teacher is an associate of another...
    It can, but I would argue not in this context. If that was the inferance we would all be staff and there would be no need for the distinction. It does seem that the teaching professionals are keen to put some distance between them selves and others in school, irrespective of the merits of the individuals involved. The only thing that get you in the club is QTS, not a degree, masters, PHD or just plain competance.

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    I'm always torn between amusement and disappointment when I see threads like this when people snipe at teachers and gripe about being undervalued. While I'm sure that many of the comments are justifiable, all it demonstrates to me is that the school in which you work isn't a particularly good one. If this is the case, look for another job - possibly outside education.

    Like @AMLightfoot, I also was a teacher in a previous incarnation. During this time, my social life was reduced to taking some of my marking to the pub on the way home, having a couple of pints and a chat before going home and getting everything ready for the next day before going to bed. I was in a school were I was totally unappreciated by the headteacher who took every opportunity to put me down, often in front of staff, parents and even my class. Needless to say, I didn't cope particularly well. I stuck full time teaching for a year before moving on to supply and then lecturing.

    Now I am IT tech in a school in which I used to do supply teaching regularly. Yes I still have a huge workload and have to take things home. Yes, I often come in for grief from staff when things go wrong or change in way that they don't like, but overall, I am part of a team. Teachers rely on me to make sure things happen and appreciate that they would be in a whole lot of bother if I wasn't around. A teacher who has just left at the end of term said to me, 'I just hope that there's one of you in my new school.' Says it all really.

    Come on edugeekers, let's have a bit of peace, love and harmony. If you don't want to work in a 'them and us' culture, stop taking the role of 'us' and let the 'thems' follow your lead.

    Merry Christmas, everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevieM View Post
    I'm always torn between amusement and disappointment when I see threads like this when people snipe at teachers and gripe about being undervalued. While I'm sure that many of the comments are justifiable, all it demonstrates to me is that the school in which you work isn't a particularly good one. If this is the case, look for another job - possibly outside education.

    Like @AMLightfoot, I also was a teacher in a previous incarnation. During this time, my social life was reduced to taking some of my marking to the pub on the way home, having a couple of pints and a chat before going home and getting everything ready for the next day before going to bed. I was in a school were I was totally unappreciated by the headteacher who took every opportunity to put me down, often in front of staff, parents and even my class. Needless to say, I didn't cope particularly well. I stuck full time teaching for a year before moving on to supply and then lecturing.

    Now I am IT tech in a school in which I used to do supply teaching regularly. Yes I still have a huge workload and have to take things home. Yes, I often come in for grief from staff when things go wrong or change in way that they don't like, but overall, I am part of a team. Teachers rely on me to make sure things happen and appreciate that they would be in a whole lot of bother if I wasn't around. A teacher who has just left at the end of term said to me, 'I just hope that there's one of you in my new school.' Says it all really.

    Come on edugeekers, let's have a bit of peace, love and harmony. If you don't want to work in a 'them and us' culture, stop taking the role of 'us' and let the 'thems' follow your lead.

    Merry Christmas, everyone.
    ^ This.

    It has to be said that one school I taught at had a wonderful, inclusive atmosphere and the Science Teachers and Science Techs were one big happy team and it was lovely. Another school was a high achieving school in an affluent area and there was almost open hostility between the science techs and the teachers - it was awful and intimidating. I guess the atmosphere is what you make of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMLightfoot View Post
    Condescension.

    And no, there isn't. Some people are just douches. Don't tar all teachers with the same brush.
    This.

    This all over...

    While I jokingly refer to any of my friends who are in teaching as being workshy - and that I'm there to fix their <censored>ups, it's all done in good nature. I know they work hard, and are dedicated to what they do - but this doesn't mean that ALL teachers are like that...

    I can, (as I'm sure many of us can) share some real horror stories of teachers refusing to learn, thinking they're better than you and just being downright <censored>bags - but as above, this doesn't extend to the whole of the profession.

    Yes, there are a large number of teachers out there that are used to their word being final - this is the part of them that is trying to instil some discipline in their classroom and it might leak out (or not be controlled properly) in other work situations, such as dealing with support staff. Try getting to know them a little, and they might start to see you as a person - rather than a bod to be ordered round.

    However - there are some absolute <naughty word>s out there who I'd happily punch in the mush.

    At the end of the day, there are a vast spectrum of people out there who have chosen teaching as a profession - right from the ones who make it a pleasure to see them teach, all the way down to the ones who wouldn't even get urinated on if they were aflame.



    Also - think about it, us techs can be just as bad...

    If in doubt - think of the first rule of Wheaton... Don't be a D!*k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevieM View Post
    I'm always torn between amusement and disappointment when I see threads like this when people snipe at teachers and gripe about being undervalued. While I'm sure that many of the comments are justifiable, all it demonstrates to me is that the school in which you work isn't a particularly good one. If this is the case, look for another job - possibly outside education.
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    @StevieM

    Now YOU are tarring everyone with the same brush. Some comments are neither sniping nor griping, other than at the TONE OF THE STATEMENT.
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    Perhaps we should just separate out the sniping and the griping in our minds, so we can have a constructive conversation about how undervalued we are, without sniping at teachers for being so much more visible to SLT? :P

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