StevieM (6th December 2013)
I had the honour of talking to him on a plane from Johannesburg to Durban in 1990. He'd not long been released from Robben Island and came back into "cattle-class" to say hello. He took time to speak to everyone who wanted to meet him. He had an infectious grin. There were as many whites as blacks who got out of their seats to shake his hand. A truly remarkable gentleman. RIP
StevieM (6th December 2013)
One of a very small list of people who made a profound and lasting positive impression on the world. RIP
Sad day, but inevitable.
laserblazer (6th December 2013)
I think he may be a perfect example of "one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist".
strawberry (6th December 2013)
I don't live in S Africa, I would love to. I just help where I can, sponsoring a child, helping with IT and more in a school, helping with an AIDS Orphans project and doing what I can in a small town(ship) and in Lesotho.
Very commendable @creese. When I travelled there regularly on business I used to fill a bag with stationery (paper, pencils, rulers etc.) and just pop in to a small school in the bush. The look on the faces of the staff when I'd breeze in, open the bag as say "can you use these?" The kids would all be immaculate in crisp, white shirts all the more amazing when they live in one room rondavels.I just help where I can, sponsoring a child, helping with IT and more in a school, helping with an AIDS Orphans project and doing what I can in a small town(ship) and in Lesotho.
"One issue that deeply worried me in prison was the false image I unwittingly projected to the outside world; of being regarded as a saint.
"I never was one, even on the basis of an earthly definition of a saint as a sinner who keeps trying."
I think his stand on "truth and reconciliation" in later life was commendable and he did renounce violence in later life. He probably saved SA from the fate of a bitter civil war and a genocide of the white population. I just find the picture being pained by the media to be as 'photoshopped' as a Vogue magazine cover. I don't think that's helpful, if we are to learn from history then we must deal with the truth as clearly as possible, not some sugar coated version of it. The man was a catalyst for change, but the means he employed left many dead. He was no Gandhi.
Netman (6th December 2013)
The reason I keep doing what I do, apart from believing every child deserves an education, is that they are so grateful and humble. On the day I left a class I worked closely with lined up and each one thanked me, formally. I then got a message to be outside at the close of school, they all rushed up and hugged me and thanked me 'properly'. If I didn't have grandchildren I would be out there permanently.
I went from people who had reason to complain and don't to people who have all they need and more and do nothing but complain.
EDIT: In the 70s I worked on the Moehne Dam Yacht Club. We thought is fun to sing the Dam Busters March on the way to work. Many years later I found out how many thousands died in that raid. Not so funny now, but it could be argued it was for a good reason.
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creese (6th December 2013)
BBC News - Nelson Mandela death: Somerset's part in South African history
'It was not South Africa that hosted these private peace talks but Mells Park House, some 9,000 miles (14,484 km) away.'
Best I can get from Mells to the southern coast is 'some' 6,000 miles.
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