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General Chat Thread, UK Car Tax Discs to be Scrapped! in General; Originally Posted by glennda I personally think they will also change the structure again for how they calculate as now ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennda View Post
    I personally think they will also change the structure again for how they calculate as now cars with such low Emissions they pay very little tax.
    You don't say!

    I sold my van recently, I was paying 500/year for tax and insurance, and only driving less than 2000 miles. Mrs Tonnixx has a car, and I just use my bicycle. If the tax was abolished completely, and the cost added to fuel I would have kept the van, but it just didn't make sense to own a vehicle that leaked money when not in use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newpersn View Post
    What car you running?

    2004 Laguna 1.9DCI 120bph: Tax is 145 a year
    2000 Clio 1.2 16V 75bph Tax is 145 a year
    Skoda Octavia. 260 per annum.

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    Things like VED are designed to get people to think about the environment. That seems to have worked in your case @jinnantonnixx, as it got a van off the road which wasn't necessarily needed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Things like VED are designed to get people to think about the environment. That seems to have worked in your case @jinnantonnixx, as it got a van off the road which wasn't necessarily needed...
    However the environmental impact of producing a new car outweighs running an old car to the end of its life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newpersn View Post
    What car you running?

    2004 Laguna 1.9DCI 120bph: Tax is 145 a year
    2000 Clio 1.2 16V 75bph Tax is 145 a year
    2012 Toyota Auris Hybrid 134bhp : Tax 0.00 per year
    2013 Kia Optima 1.7CRDI 134bhp : Tax 105 per year

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Things like VED are designed to get people to think about the environment. That seems to have worked in your case @jinnantonnixx, as it got a van off the road which wasn't necessarily needed...
    Don't kid yourself, VED is about extracting as much tax out of motorist as they can, as they know most people have little choice but to own a motor. Just some bright spark said "if we base it on emissions we can con the hippies into thinking we're saving the environment".
    If it was truly about the environment you would pay less tax the older your car was and pay an extortionate figure for any brand new car.
    Last edited by j17sparky; 5th December 2013 at 11:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foofighterjim View Post
    However the environmental impact of producing a new car outweighs running an old car to the end of its life.
    Furthermore, the link between VED and pollution is tentative. I'm guessing a zero-rated runabout doing 30k/year pollutes more than my (ex-)van at 2k/year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeast View Post
    yeah you're still going to have to pay an extra 5% to pay in instalments, just save the money each month and pay in one go
    But at least its better than the 10% that it currently is if you can only afford 6 months.

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    Great load of drivel coming out of Osborne's mouth RE: other stuff.

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    It's strange why the Government don't just include it with filling up at the pump. Make it the oil companies responsibility to pass on taxes to the Government (as they already do) *coughs* and there you have it.

    - You can reduce the size of the DVLA sending out badges to people to stick in their cars
    - You can reduce the size of Royal Mail sending out the badges
    - We all save on paper/printing costs
    - No need for a new computer system
    - Frees up Police time even more
    - Foreign drivers also pay into the system (as they fill up)

    It's fair to say if you have an older car or one with a larger engine, you'll use more at the pump. You just add x amount of pence per litre and that's it. Why George is avoiding this method is really strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael View Post
    It's strange why the Government don't just include it with filling up at the pump. Make it the oil companies responsibility to pass on taxes to the Government (as they already do) *coughs* and there you have it.

    - You can reduce the size of the DVLA sending out badges to people to stick in their cars
    - You can reduce the size of Royal Mail sending out the badges
    - We all save on paper/printing costs
    - No need for a new computer system
    - Frees up Police time even more
    - Foreign drivers also pay into the system (as they fill up)

    It's fair to say if you have an older car or one with a larger engine, you'll use more at the pump. You just add x amount of pence per litre and that's it. Why George is avoiding this method is really strange.
    This would have suited me down to the ground, with a very low annual mileage. As it stands, I have to pay an annual tax no matter how much I economise.

    But you've made a fundamental error in suggesting something that's good for the populous, not the govt's tax receipts. Go to the back of the class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael View Post
    It's strange why the Government don't just include it with filling up at the pump. Make it the oil companies responsibility to pass on taxes to the Government (as they already do) *coughs* and there you have it.

    - You can reduce the size of the DVLA sending out badges to people to stick in their cars
    - You can reduce the size of Royal Mail sending out the badges
    - We all save on paper/printing costs
    - No need for a new computer system
    - Frees up Police time even more
    - Foreign drivers also pay into the system (as they fill up)

    It's fair to say if you have an older car or one with a larger engine, you'll use more at the pump. You just add x amount of pence per litre and that's it. Why George is avoiding this method is really strange.
    i suspect that wont happen due to the effect it would have on haulage and public transport costs

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    Quote Originally Posted by jinnantonnixx View Post
    This would have suited me down to the ground, with a very low annual mileage.

    But you've made a fundamental error in suggesting something that's good for the populous, not the govt's tax receipts. Go to the back of the class.
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    But what happens when you claim mileage for work purposes. Too complicated in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jinnantonnixx View Post
    You've made a fundamental error in suggesting something that's good for the populous, not the govt's tax receipts. Go to the back of the class.
    It'd be good for tax receipts, as you'd just make sure you're taxing the right amount at the pump.

    I think it might all just be down to the sheer complexity of our government. To make such a change, it'd take decades of wrangling and paper pushing.

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