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    Quote Originally Posted by alexbillbridgnorth View Post
    Even some routers for example like the ASUS DSL-N55U (I have this one) you can set the firewall to block catergories of websites for example adult themes or comments on youtube.
    Good point - many newer routers support this. Even my bog standard Sky supplied router can manage that (albeit, probably not quite as many features as yours) - a little education for the parents would work much better, and might even teach them a little something other than e-safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtg93 View Post
    Not really - the point he was making is that, way before all this sort of material was being published/made widely available, rape was still a thing (much worse in actual fact), so you can't blame our "rape culture" on these types of publications. So, his point is actually quite valid.
    "Rape Culture" and "Rape" are not really the same thing. Rape culture is more about the culture we have around gender roles, particularly with regards to the objectivication of women in the media and the way that the media reports things like rapes (google the Steubenville rapists for a really good example - all the media could do was talk about how these young men (rapists) had had their lives tragically ruined). It's referring to things like the fact that tabloids trawl facebook photos of murdered young women to find bikini/revealing photos to use on the front page.

    Rape culture is a pretty extreme turn of phrase for what it refers to, but that's why I like it.

    Rape is another thing entirely. I'd even go so far as to say it's totally unrelated. Rape culture affects peoples attitudes when things like this happen, but doing away with it won't make rapes stop happening. That doesn't mean it's not worth fighting for, though.

    This is true - If I'm buying a paper, I want to know news - not the bra size of a women I don't even know, and certainly not anything about the latest celebrity to have a baby with a weird name (but if that's not what you want to see you just buy another paper). As @localzuk says - If we ban it so children don't see it, we're making the whole topic of sex a taboo subject - by allowing it, we're in no way saying that objectifying/raping women is OK.
    Except that's exactly the message we are sending - look this way and men will want you, and men wanting you is the most important thing of all. Not just with page 3, but with the media and advertising as well.

    I should also point out that this happens to men too, I'm not trying to pretend that it doesn't. I'm not discussing the objectivication of men here though, as I think it's a significantly less societally damaging problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sdrawkcab View Post
    Rape culture is a pretty extreme turn of phrase for what it refers to, but that's why I like it.
    Well, that's just Phrase Fascism!

    "Rape Culture" seems to be a victim of itself, surely conflating rape with "culture" (meme propagation) could only be language that is a product of a culture that is desensitised to the horror of rape. I'm not entirely sure how that relates to the issue of the pornography of Page 3 vs pornography via internet. For Cameron to favour one and dis-favour the other at least means he finds there is some meaningful distinction and that he has a view that some 'pornography' is acceptable and that some is not. I'd guess most people are in the same boat; very few would find all pornography unacceptable - probably fewer still would find all acceptable. Most draw a line somewhere, the only difference is where.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcstru View Post
    Most draw a line somewhere, the only difference is where.
    And therein lies the problem with government controlled censorship filtering

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    Quote Originally Posted by LosOjos View Post
    And therein lies the problem with government controlled censorship filtering
    Yes and no.

    No in that the vast majority would agree there is a line, somewhere, and that (only) governments should draw it. Yes in that the vast majority would agree that wherever the government draws the line, it is the wrong place to draw it.
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    And we believed them when they said they wanted filters just for smut? Of course we did!

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Communist
    Then they came for the Socialists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Socialist
    Then they came for the trade unionists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a trade unionist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

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    First they came for the perverts
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a pervert
    Then they came for the extremists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a extremists
    Then they came for the hackers
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a hacker
    Then they came for the civilian journalists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a civilian journalist
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofsanta View Post
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    First they came for the perverts
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a pervert
    Then they came for the extremists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a extremists
    Then they came for the hackers
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a hacker
    Then they came for the civilian journalists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a civilian journalist
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me
    ...and because the only people left were the politicians, I felt no shame in raining down firey destruction upon them.

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