This is something I have a problem with too. If you want people to work, you should pay them a fair wage for the time they worked. Anything less (like our current Workfair scheme) is basically slave labour and should be illegal.Working for benefits shouldn't be a problem either... There is a massive amount of public infrastructure that needs maintenance but the country lacks funds to do so whilst paying everyone benefits.
If you want to attack the benefits system, here's a major problem with it: It takes 6 weeks to process a benefits application. This means that most people on benefits are unwilling to take on temp jobs, since they could actually end up being worse off due of the amount of time they'd have to wait to get back on benefits after the temp contract is finished. According to this, at least half the jobs created since 2010 have been temporary (I'm actually pretty sure that over the last year the figure is actually higher than that, but I couldn't find any articles to back that claim up in the short time I wrote this post).
The fact is, there just aren't enough permanent jobs for people at the moment. If we're going to continue down this trend of employing temps over creating permanent positions, we need to change our benefits system to make taking temporary jobs a viable option for people on benefits.
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I think I said in my first post "nice to see another race to the bottom". I sympathise with the OP - the economic situation is becoming increasingly desperate for many people. I hope the solution to being miserable isn't to make someone else with even less, even worse off.
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The truth is that we have been living on borrowed time. I just about remember food rationing and petrol rationing after the Suez and Oil crisis in 1973. Three day week and regular power cuts, it was tough but we survived. If necessary, we even put on an extra jumper. For the last 15 years or so, we have been in a Wonga type society that is simply not sustainable. Make the most of what we have.
The UK is still one of the best places to live in the World. Definitely in the top 5 all things considered. The 'race to the bottom' isn't just affecting the UK. Its a worldwide transition of the very rich cosying up to the poor to work for them for less than we would.
The lower middle especially are the ones that get squeezed. As pointed out on here that's sadly the way its always been. The productive and aspiring need to be kept at a certain level to keep a certain political class at a safe distance from it all. For all the wrong that Mrs T did, she gave a section of the skilled working class to have a good go at usurping the established and smug quintessential middle class from their complacency. No wonder New Labour's champagne socialists spend 12 years getting their own back at Thatchers working class winners
But as for emigrating, it all depends on your expectations from life. If you like warmer weather then obviously the UK isn't the country for you. If you like space and quality of life, then maybe rural Canada is your natural home. If you are hard working, well qualified and want a big house with a high standard of living then the USA may be of interest. All depends on your outlook.
The North Sea oil bubble saved the country from catastrophy in the 80's, but alas, we just pi55ed it all away without any long term plan or benefit - we've had the Saturday Night - now its Sunday Morning and the outlook is bleak for a lot of people.
The current economic policy seems bizarre to me - keeping interest rates to nearly zero isn't going to help in the long term - the only way our debts are going to reduce to a manageable size is if inflation rates are high and erode the value of the debt - we've been living beyond our means for decades - I remember when the balance of trade figures were regularly reported on the news - and negative values were perceived as a "bad" thing - nowadays they are rarely mentioned - we'd rather look the other way and think that all our cash flowing out of the country to China or wherever is a "good" thing as the prices of goods are "cheaper" - trouble is once that money is spent and gone - that's it - it doesn't recirculate through the economy as it did when we bought things that were manufactured here.
Ach - enough of this shilly shally - its time for bed!
the recent raising of the tuition fee threshold has been a huge hit to those on middle incomes, the uk was already pretty high up the list of developed countries when it came to avg. tution fees and proportion of those fees paid by the student...the govt. will use the argument about university graduates on avg. doing better over their lifetime in the job market, but then there has to be a balance between needing future graduates with key skills entering the workforce and the disincentives of yet another tax on career progression/increased earnings.
I just don't like the idea of people being mortgaged for years to come based on the perceived benefit they receive.
List of countries by Human Development Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The UN ranks all countries on a Human Development Index based on several different factors which all affect quality of life. According to them, we are 26th on that list. Spend 5 minutes researching social welfare in places like Sweden and Denmark and you'll see how awful ours is by comparison.
If we don't do something soon, we're going to end up like the USA.
This Country Beats France - YouTube
OK it's a Micheal Moore clip, so you have to take some of what he says with a pinch of salt. Still, shows how much better it could be if you had a government who actually acts in the interests of the people.
Norway is a great country to visit, I suspect it would be a great place to live too. Their leaders haven't squandered their oil revenues like ours have. They have banked a lot of it & spent a huge amount on infrastructure projects. They are heavily into hydroelectric power generation. Their fishing industry is booming as they have managed and conserved their fish stocks inside their vast territorial waters.
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