iom100 (28th October 2013)
Nobody actually looks at figures when they discuss this, they just reference anecdotal evidence. Look at the facts rather than spouting hyperbole please. If you read this article, you will see that the vast majority of our benefits actually go to working families, with a tiny tiny proportion going to long-term unemployed people.
You are making a snap judgement based on the appearance of these people. Many of them probably do have jobs. Besides which, it's not your money. You have absolutely no right to tell them how to spend it.
iom100 (28th October 2013)
Ah the good old race to the bottom. Feeling poor, why not rant at those who are even worse off! It will keep your mind from straying to look at the ever increasing wage gap and how, in these times of austerity - the rich just keep getting ever richer and obviously to motivate the rich we need to ask them to pay less tax so they can key even stinkingly more rich! But obviously to motivate those at the bottom of the heap we need to take what little they have away from them - let them look into the abyss and, well, that ought to make them get one of the huge number of jobs available at every job centre. We simply can't have benefits cheats but hey, tax cheats, welcome to Britain Mr Green and your lovely tax free wife!
Hate the poorest - truly political genius. It gives the middle classes a target for their frustrations and hey, the poor don't vote Tory anyway! Trebles all round!
What about rich people paying less tax? That upsets me more than ANY amount of benefit fraud...
There will ALWAYS be those to play the system, and as pcstru says, it is almost a "1984"-ish way of making us direct our hatred in a different direction - away from the government.
Why do people ALWAYS go on about benefit fraud etc when the government spends MILLIONS more of YOUR money on things that I am sure many people would disagree with - foreign aid to corrupt governments with a nuclear program, wars we shouldnt be in, etc etc
Last edited by witch; 24th October 2013 at 01:43 PM.
I lived in a number of housing estates in some quiet deprived areas (notabley Lowestoft and Dagenham) and yet I can't ever say I've noticed that the freeloader society is as epedemic as some would have us believe.
From Hansard, 2010 :
Katy Clark: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer how much HM Revenue and Customs has spent on advertising for the purposes of preventing tax evasion in each of the last three years. 
Mr Gauke: HM Revenue and Customs spent £633,284 (excluding VAT) on advertising for the purposes of preventing tax evasion last year. There was no expenditure in the previous two years.
Katy Clark: To ask the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions how much his Department budgeted for advertising tackling benefit fraud in each of the last three financial years. 
Chris Grayling: The information is in the table:
Budgeted expenditure for advertising tackling benefit fraud
2007-08 £6.5 million
2008-09 £6.0 million
2009-10 £5.0 million
Estimates of the tax gap (the gap between what we might expect tax revenues to be and what they actually are) are of amounts from £30billion up to £120 billion. Estimates of benefit fraud in the same period were around £3 billion.
None of which is to say that Benefit Fraud should be tolerated, but think how often you hear the Daily Mail type ranting "something must be done" about each. Given the amounts involved Tax evasion should have a high priority but it seems all the energy AND funding goes on benefit fraud. Why is that?
From Welfare fraud is a drop in the ocean compared to tax avoidance | James Ball | Comment is free | theguardian.com
Joanne Gibbons was sentenced to community service for claiming income support while holding down two paid jobs. Through accumulated payments of £66-a-week, the court heard, she collected £3,140 to which she wasn't entitled.
Predictably, the Daily Mail is outraged. But here's the strange twist: had Gibbons claimed the benefits to which she was actually entitled, she could have collected £130 a week through family tax credits and child benefit. In total, Gibbons' fraudulent claims cost the taxpayer around £3,100 less than claiming what she was actually entitled to.
And prosecuting that cost the taxpayer even more money!
(It is actually good to see attitudes are starting to change - thanks largely to organisations like UK Uncut. Today there is evidence that people are starting to consider tax evasion as socially unacceptable, 10 years ago it hardly rated a mention. It's just a shame that at the highest political levels, so much emphasis is put on cracking down on benefits while so little is done to combat tax evasion. Politicians like the easy targets and we seem happy to let them get away with it).
Things are getting harder, and our pay is effectivly cut with years of freezes. However, I have a modest overdraft, a car, TV, a roof over my head, a computer and the internet. I can afford to go to the cinema once a month or so, eat well etc.
Most of us 'in the middle' are doing quite alright, we have no worries about where our next meal is coming from, or winding up living in a cardboard box.
It really isn't a minority and it is frustrating. Certainly in the area I live, I see these people with 3/4 kids living in a council house that would cost upwards of £300k and they're renting it for the price of a studio flat. The kids have a blackberry/iphone/expensive clothes and there's a massive 60inch flat screen in the living room with sky. Me and my Mrs cant even get a mortgage for anything with more than 1 bedroom, the thought of having a house and family seems completely unachievable. I don't know anyone my age with a house that hasn't had help from their parents, something that I'm not going to get.
I can only see it getting worse and more people ending up living off benefits and living above their means.
Trust me, with three children who have little hope of affording anywhere to live in the near future, I do understand where you are coming from. I am in favour of a benefit system done by vouchers for food etc where you have to prove who you are (so they cant be sold on) as some countries have.
It is up to the government to STOP this from happening
bodminman (24th October 2013)
www.govfood.com (or similar) and fill their basket up to £x thats it they never see anything like money and can only buy food/anything else deemed appropriate
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