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General Chat Thread, RANT - Fed up with life here in the UK in General; Originally Posted by nephilim I couldn't even begin to fathom how or why people live like that. Lack of intelligence, ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    I couldn't even begin to fathom how or why people live like that.
    Lack of intelligence, poor upbringing, lack of self respect/pride or just laziness. If its easier to play the system than to get a job why do the more difficult task?

    If you watched the shoplifter and proud program they classed it as their job, because it was easier than a real job and paid better. The lack of repercussions also encouraged them. Its just too easy if you have no morals!

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    Feeling the pinch here; three kids and feel my income just doesn't stretch as far as it did. Each month seems to be a major bill, insurance, etc that just gobbles up the chance to save or treat yourself with.

    My wife does Floristry work privately, registered with the Tax man and does Tax Return each year. Last year she made about 1500 in profit and of course this was declared to the Child Tax Credit and what happens? Child Tax Credit gets reduce by 1500 ! So, where's the incentive to actually get of your butt and do something for yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHR1S View Post
    Lack of intelligence, poor upbringing, lack of self respect/pride or just laziness. If its easier to play the system than to get a job why do the more difficult task?

    If you watched the shoplifter and proud program they classed it as their job, because it was easier than a real job and paid better. The lack of repercussions also encouraged them. Its just too easy if you have no morals!

    Nail on head there.

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    The reason we are all skint is down to something Nixon did back in 1971, in a very VERY simple explination.

    After World War 2 in 1945 it was agreed that the dollar would be linked to gold, and all other currencies in the world fixed their exchange rate relative to the dollar. This was the ‘Bretton Woods Agreement’.

    So in the late 40’s, 50’s and 60’s just the father would work and there could many kids in the family and they would be comfortable off just 1 wage.

    Then in 1971 Nixon chopped off the link between the dollar and gold. Then the US started printing money it did not have (as its not linked to anything), writing IOU’s, and the world is running on ‘fiat’ currency. Now everything becomes more expensive, but to mask this crack, in the 70’s and 80’s the Wife now gets a job as well as the husband, so the family can be as comfortable as it was the 60’s.

    Now we come to the 90s and 00’s, 2 incomes is not enough, so we start living off credit instead, everyone has credit cards, cars on finance to mask the crack.

    Now we come to 2008 to now, and all the credit has dried up, nobody else in the household can work, and well were screwed…. Only way to fix this is to link the currency to something tangible like gold again.

    But that’s not wanted by the people in power and even the bank of England was selling off our gold cheap to make currency look more powerful than gold.

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    Treats like a day out or a trip to the cinema with a bit of food at Frankie & Bennies is now something I can only afford maybe every couple of months.

    Sad for the child really when their friends are talking about the latest kids film in the cinema and she most likely wont get to see it until the DVD comes out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHR1S View Post
    You see state reared families who can afford drink/drug and crap habits and STILL seem to feed their kids rubbish, but you cant make ends meet.
    No you don't. These "state reared benefits scroungers" you're all so obsessed with don't actually exist. Where do you see them? Or are you just making a snap judgement based on someones appearance? (answer: almost certainly yes)

    Honestly, not accepting state help isn't really a commendable action. We have some of the worst social safety nets in europe, but they still exist to help you. Choosing not to use them is foolish in the extreme, in my opinion.

    Edit: Especially if you're choosing not to use them because of some misguided sense of morality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    Someone asked about a middle income family just above the benefit threshold. I'm right here. We are above the threshold for council tax benefit, housing benefit, working tax credits, income support, and food bank help. We get child benefit and child tax credits, both amount to the tune of 33 combined per week.

    We are now choosing between heating our house for more than an hour a day, or eating more than once a day (our daughter has 3 square meals).

    We have cut corners everywhere possible, we make our own bread (cost of making our own including the ingredients and electric for the oven is 60p, whereas the cheapest loaf in the supermarket is 80p), we make our own yoghurt, we grow our own vegetables in our garden (granted not much but better than nothing and can always guarantee freshness). I've even taken to using squirrel traps (with local council authority) to catch and kill squirrels for additional meat in our diet.

    I am the epitome of thrift, if there is a way to save money, I am probably doing it, but we struggle badly, to the point where we are looking at moving in with the in laws simply so we dont have to shell out as much!
    It's posts like these that open my eyes to how fortunate i truely am, and hell i'm thankful for it.

    I won't lie, i'm well off. I can buy whatever i need (within reason) and we have the bank balance going up.

    It's when i read things like that, that i truely do think. The food i throw away, the money i throw away, the tv i leave on all night, the lights that stay on when we don't need them, the excess fuel we use, the heating we put on because it's a little nippy, the fireplace i put on when i should be wearing a t-shirt... all these things... it's as if... they're normal to me. However, i think if i spent a week with yourself, i'd get so piddled off with the way of living, i'd go crazy.

    No one should have to live in such conditions, especially with kids. I know people are worse off than you, but that's a different story. My condolences go out to you mate, and i wish you all the best in getting a high paid job!

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    We're lucky that the cinema has a saturday morning movies for juniors, 1 a ticket.
    @Sdrawkcab I want the benefits to boost our income, but we are above the threshold and dont qualify for it. I want a well paying job with a degree of permanence, but that doesn't exist anymore. Hell I would stack shelves in tesco or asda if they would offer anything over 18 hours a week (on their wages, thats what I need as a minimum to bring in what I need to live comfortably). I'm not missing out because of morality, I am missing out because of circumstance. I would claim for everything I am entitled too, but just dont meet the requirements. I couldn't stay on it for life however like some people do.

    *edit*
    @Sunnyknight I am always happy to receive donations
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sdrawkcab View Post
    No you don't. These "state reared benefits scroungers" you're all so obsessed with [i]don't actually exist[/url]. Where do you see them? Or are you just making a snap judgement based on someones appearance? (answer: almost certainly yes)
    I lived above them for 7 months before I moved house, had 3 open police calls against them and that was the family directly below us. Our block had 3 more instances like this and the street several more.
    I have first had proof unfortunately, they very much exist and seem to have an air about them you would not believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sdrawkcab View Post
    No you don't. These "state reared benefits scroungers" you're all so obsessed with don't actually exist. Where do you see them? Or are you just making a snap judgement based on someones appearance? (answer: almost certainly yes)
    They very much do exist. A good number of the kids in the school I worked in in Bristol were from families like this. Eg. They have no money, are on FSM, but the parents go out drinking, smoke 40 a day and the kids all have iPhones or the latest Blackberry.

    If you think they don't exist, you've not lived in the areas where they most exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    They very much do exist. A good number of the kids in the school I worked in in Bristol were from families like this. Eg. They have no money, are on FSM, but the parents go out drinking, smoke 40 a day and the kids all have iPhones or the latest Blackberry.
    Same here in the North East. Many of our kids have grandparents as well as parents who are on long term benefits. They participate in the 'black' economy too where things get done for cash in hand. You wouldn't believe the number of iPhone & Blackberry MAC addresses I have blocked with DHCP filters......

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    I too have experience these 'Serial Scroungers' in Chester, Manchester & Lowestoft/Great Yarmouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    We're lucky that the cinema has a saturday morning movies for juniors, 1 a ticket.
    @Sdrawkcab I want the benefits to boost our income, but we are above the threshold and dont qualify for it. I want a well paying job with a degree of permanence, but that doesn't exist anymore. Hell I would stack shelves in tesco or asda if they would offer anything over 18 hours a week (on their wages, thats what I need as a minimum to bring in what I need to live comfortably). I'm not missing out because of morality, I am missing out because of circumstance. I would claim for everything I am entitled too, but just dont meet the requirements. I couldn't stay on it for life however like some people do.

    *edit*
    @Sunnyknight I am always happy to receive donations
    Construction industry. 400 - 500 a week. Picked up from home at 4am, back home at 8pm. Saturday and Sunday double time.

    That is what my pa does, and has done for 40 years. Known soldier! lol You should attempt it. Even for a few months, it's money in the bank.

    As for donations, i would, only after i complete the projects i have coming up

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    ahh construction...would do it, if not for my disability, unless they need a data cabler. Unfortunately not something I am physically able to do without being a danger to people. I see a specialist disability adviser in the job centre for this reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sdrawkcab View Post
    No you don't. These "state reared benefits scroungers" you're all so obsessed with don't actually exist. Where do you see them? Or are you just making a snap judgement based on someones appearance? (answer: almost certainly yes)
    ermmm yes you do, The council decided to build an estate on land behind my house for these people.

    You wouldn't believe the amount of crap we get from them during the summer! they seem to hibernate during winter!

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