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    Hehe, aren't we all?

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    Honestly, you'd cringe at my home rig. Heh.

    2gb RAM
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    Just inherited the missus old Vostro 1000 - very similar spec..heh. They do what I need, they play Doom3 and all the older games I like (if I ever get time to play them). As long as they can play the new Carmageddon when it's released, it's all good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofsanta View Post
    @Sunnyknight is, as ever, overegging the situation enormously you could build an entirely competent PC - i.e. at least the equal of a PS4/XBone, likely greater - for around £600-£700. It may not be the most ridiculous of ridiculous hyper-threaded turbo-boosted hex-core monstrosities with a seven billion transistor GPU hanging out of its PCI-E slot, but you'd get 80-90% the performance for 50% the price in most games - not that anything over 60fps means a damn on most monitors. You could probably do it for less if you have a Windows licence to hand, a case to put it in, a decent monitor to hook it up to...

    Depends how much you want to spend, really. But they're nothing like as expensive as they were when you made your last machine, looking at your spec.
    Agree. You don't need to go mad on the system. The key things are - good case, good power supply, good motherboard. Lob a cheaper processor in this year and put in a better one in 18 months time. Same for graphics card. Memory is cheap. Skip the SSD for now and get a conventional 7200RPM drive and upgrade when you're ready and can afford it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatpackhamster View Post
    Agree. You don't need to go mad on the system. The key things are - good case, good power supply, good motherboard. Lob a cheaper processor in this year and put in a better one in 18 months time. Same for graphics card. Memory is cheap. Skip the SSD for now and get a conventional 7200RPM drive and upgrade when you're ready and can afford it.
    Even the motherboard is not so important as it once was, in these days of everything being brought onto the CPU die - get one from a reputable name with the ports you need, but spending hundreds on a motherboard gains you no appreciable benefits unless you're a competitive overclocker or building some kind of multi-GPU RAID monster that needs all the ports it can get.

    Case & PSU though, heavens yes. Never underestimate their importance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatpackhamster View Post
    Agree. You don't need to go mad on the system. The key things are - good case, good power supply, good motherboard. Lob a cheaper processor in this year and put in a better one in 18 months time. Same for graphics card. Memory is cheap. Skip the SSD for now and get a conventional 7200RPM drive and upgrade when you're ready and can afford it.
    I agree with all of this apart from the bit on SSD's. SSD's have come down a lot in price and until you make the switch from a 'classic' HDD to a SSD, you won't realise just how much faster they are and the jump in performance they provide. Even if you get a small SSD purely for the O/S and the likes of Office and other programs, and a separate 'classic' drive for games (ie, Steam! ).

    My system did not cost a huge amount and the performance I get out of my AMD CPU is really good! Plus it was a lot cheaper then some of the Intel options.

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    Even better, get a Z series HP workstation from me, pop a SAS Drive in there and add a second Xeon Processor & better GFX in a years time

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    PCs have a higher initial investment but after 10 games they start to work out cheaper.

    You've a good case and PSU a new mobo and CPU with a 2nd had £120 GFX from ebay should get you a kick arse system.

    "Xenon 135i" Intel Core i3 3220 3.3GHz Dual Core Home PC Bundle [Xenon135i]

    and

    PNY NVIDIA GeForce 570 GTX (1280 MB) (GMGTX57N2H12ZPB) Graphics Card 3536403339395 | eBay

    just examples you could get a 660TI for a little more

    EDIT I would recommend this card http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...14&subcat=2379

    together i3 mobo ram and this 2gb 660 gold (non-ti) £343
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawns View Post
    I agree with all of this apart from the bit on SSD's. SSD's have come down a lot in price and until you make the switch from a 'classic' HDD to a SSD, you won't realise just how much faster they are and the jump in performance they provide. Even if you get a small SSD purely for the O/S and the likes of Office and other programs, and a separate 'classic' drive for games (ie, Steam! ).

    My system did not cost a huge amount and the performance I get out of my AMD CPU is really good! Plus it was a lot cheaper then some of the Intel options.
    I switched from a conventional to a SSD last year and it made a huge difference. But if you're looking to save money and need the disk space - 128GB SSD for £70 or 2000GB for the platter drive - I'd go for the larger capacity.

    I also wouldn't go full SSD until I knew I had a surefire way of recovering my data when it borks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatpackhamster View Post
    I also wouldn't go full SSD until I knew I had a surefire way of recovering my data when it borks.
    What sure fire way do you have of recovering your data if your HDD borks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LosOjos View Post
    What sure fire way do you have of recovering your data if your HDD borks?
    Well it depends on the failure, but I've got some pretty good software for getting it back if the file system corrupts or if there's physical damage (eg laptop drive dropped). And it can be sent off to a specialist with a clean room. But IIRC when a SSD goes or when it hits its write limit, that's it and data can't be recovered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatpackhamster View Post
    Well it depends on the failure, but I've got some pretty good software for getting it back if the file system corrupts or if there's physical damage (eg laptop drive dropped). And it can be sent off to a specialist with a clean room. But IIRC when a SSD goes or when it hits its write limit, that's it and data can't be recovered.
    Rule 1 of EudGeek Club: Regular backups!

    Rule 2: See rule 1.

    All my personal data (docs, files, basically anything I don't want to loose) are saved to 'My Documents' which I sync daily to my NAS (which has two drives in RAID 1). Everything else is just software that can be reinstalled if my HDD borks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatpackhamster View Post
    Well it depends on the failure, but I've got some pretty good software for getting it back if the file system corrupts or if there's physical damage (eg laptop drive dropped). And it can be sent off to a specialist with a clean room. But IIRC when a SSD goes or when it hits its write limit, that's it and data can't be recovered.
    File corruption is not the same as drive failure though and any software approach to recovering corrupted files ought to work just as well with an SSD as an HDD. As for physical failure, if you check out various sources online modern SSD's on average far outlive a HDD.

    At the end of the day, you should keep backups of anything important regardless of storage device.

    Can't argue with the fact that you still get a lot more storage for your money with an HDD though, I'd still say that for the vast majority of gamers an affordable SSD is only going to be big enough for your OS and programs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawns View Post
    Rule 1 of EudGeek Club: Regular backups!

    Rule 2: See rule 1.
    Rule 3: Only backup what you can't easily get again. [Your backups should be quicker.]

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    FWIW, recent figures reckoned that SSD failure rates were about 1.5% to HDD's 5%: SSDs do die, as Linus Torvalds just discovered - Computerworld

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    Quote Originally Posted by X-13 View Post
    Rule 3: Only backup what you can't easily get again. [Your backups should be quicker.]
    ERROR! INFINITE LOOP ALERT!

    I read Rule 1, went to rule 2 then back to rule 1 again! How do I get to Rule 3?!

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