General Chat Thread, EU plans to fit all cars with speed limiters in General; Originally Posted by Arthur
How would you overtake on the motorway if car drivers are doing 70mph in all three ...
3rd September 2013, 10:41 AM #16
Ok I'll counter with, the speed limit is 70mph, if you need to go faster to overtake, you shouldn't be overtaking
Originally Posted by Arthur
3rd September 2013, 12:32 PM #17
The camera idea wouldn't work, far too many speed signs round here get spun around because there's nothing better for bored teenagers to do in Lincolnshire.
I think tailgating is a far more dangerous and pressing issue than speed. On a straight road in clear conditions, everyone could drive at 110mph safely if they left the recommended braking distance. The same road and same conditions could be a multiple pile-up & fatality if everyone was driving up bumpers at 40mph.
But as the EU have pointed out, they are just brainstorming ideas for discussion and have absolutely no intention of enforcing this at the moment. It's just an investigation. But where's the headline in that
The fact that the driving test is so poorly related to actual driving, and that no-one ever has to retest to confirm their roadworthiness, also don't help. Mandatory advanced testing within two years! Retests every decade! /bangs drum
3rd September 2013, 01:48 PM #18
I don't see it as being a problem. Many trucks have speed limiters and they managed to get from A to B just fine.
3rd September 2013, 02:05 PM #19
Trucks can't ever use a little boost of extra speed to get out of a sticky situation. They don't need to, they're big.
3rd September 2013, 02:12 PM #20
Re: 'bendy' bananas - there is EU legislation which specifies the bend of bananas.
Originally Posted by pcstru
3rd September 2013, 02:22 PM #21
I'm not sure I agree with the term 'sensible'. There are complex technical issues, civil liberties issues and serious questions about representation of the people.
Originally Posted by theriver
Actually, the Commission has been attempting something of this nature for nearly eight years. The speed control system wouldn't use onboard cameras or anything as simplistic. Every car will be fitted with a GPS tracker which is tied to the EU's Galileo satellite system. That will report, very accurately, the car's location and allow speed limiting to be managed. It also allows the EU to roll out its planned road pricing scheme.
For those not in the know, road safety is an EU competence. That means that the EU makes the laws and applies them to member states. So even if we wanted to block this, we can't. It would be like trying to block laws on agriculture or fisheries.
3rd September 2013, 02:32 PM #22
I totally agree, this is a simple narrowminded approach especially when there are way better technologies that already exist which would do a much better job at the petty eu middle managers say they want. If they are going to bother doing it they may as well do it right rather than use it as a platform to artificially boost the deployment footprint of their nav sat system, really just mandate it in all phones or something, way easier.
Originally Posted by broc
3rd September 2013, 02:36 PM #23
What you're forgetting is the amount of political capital the EU has invested in the Galileo project. It has to be seen to be a success. In this case the Commission has joined forces with the green lobby to achieve an end they both desire. The Commission gets a purpose for its $10Bn boondoggle, and the green lobby gets to leash motorists ever more tightly. Motorists will have to pay to have these GPS thingies fitted, although how they're planning to retrofit it to older cars, particularly those with carburettors, is beyond me.
Originally Posted by SYNACK
3rd September 2013, 02:39 PM #24
Spot on, same as the one from last year about how they'd make modified cars illegal:
Originally Posted by sparkeh
Millions of modified and classic cars could be banned from the roads as meddling European Union try to shake-up MOT rules
Millions of modified and classic cars could be banned from the roads as meddling European Union try to shake-up MOT rules | Mail Online
And the truth:
Tabloid Watch: 'None of the newspapers checked the facts with us before publication'
3rd September 2013, 02:51 PM #25
I suspect it's only a matter of time until all cars are fitted with onboard 4G and GPS units which will automatically limit speed based on location. They'll bring it in under the auspice of 'road pricing' initially for electric powered vehicles once the government start losing revenue due to motorists switching from fossil based fuels to electric!
One thing you can be sure of is that motoring will never get cheaper as the gov know fine motorists are cash cows there to be milked for every penny....
3rd September 2013, 03:02 PM #26
erm some already have some of that. In the event my airbags go off (even without my phone in the car and conected via bluetooth) it will call the emergency services and can dispatch an ambulance etc to your location if you dont answer. it also has a user configurable speed limiter (which is a great idea as it means i cant slowly build up speed above whatever ive set it at over distance then look down at the speedo and find im doing 90) But to have one forced on me id rather not as i can turn this off (or just floor the throttle and it will ignore the limiter allowing me to accelerate out of trouble if needs be)
Originally Posted by flyinghaggis
I dont see electric cars ever being viable unless battery technology advances a lot 100 miles range is ok MOST of the time but last sunday i would of needed to stop approximately 5 times to get to and from my destination and probably 3 to 4 times on friday. Now granted i dont do those long journeys every day but i wouldnt want to have to own a 2nd car or rent one just because i needed to do a 120 mile trip
4th September 2013, 04:59 PM #27
4th September 2013, 05:09 PM #28
Until you get stuck behind two on a dual carriageway attempting to perform an overtake on a slight incline......
Originally Posted by synaesthesia
4th September 2013, 06:03 PM #29
We have the least deaths on the road in the world
I would hate this and contest profusely.
4th September 2013, 06:18 PM #30
and id lay odds a large percentage of serious/fatal accidents occur in residential areas at 30mph ish where someone just walks out without looking no tech in the world can protect people from themselves
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