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    Guardian, Snowden etc

    So, I'm only barely following this, but has anyone else noticed that either the Guardian are fobbing people off saying they've destroyed the machine holding evidence re Snowden, or are they using a really bad picture?

    NSA files: why the Guardian in London destroyed hard drives of leaked files | World news | The Guardian

    That's 2 mac mainboards (neither from the model on the right), a graphics card and a TFT controller. No hard drives, memory, anything. Something afoot?

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    Good catch! I thought it was just a stock photo. There's no HD in the picture either (and no reason why they couldn't just trash the HD rather than the whole Mac?). The whole NSA/GCHQ thing is wierd and worrying. Democracy, Freedom, Liberty - I was kind of bought up to believe those were things worth fighting for.

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    The spooks that oversaw the operation probably took the drive remains?

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    It says further down that the Spooks didn't take anything with them but did instruct them in using various drills and angle grinders on the drives.

    Still not sure why there's two mainboards and a cople of other randoms in the pic though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICTDirect_Dave View Post
    It says further down that the Spooks didn't take anything with them but did instruct them in using various drills and angle grinders on the drives.

    Still not sure why there's two mainboards and a cople of other randoms in the pic though.
    Yes, the inclusion of a VGA card alongside the chassis from a Macbook pro is particularly wierd.

    The Guardian could be lying, of course, like it was lying when it claimed that the chap stopped at the airport was just the journalist's partner, when he was, in fact, another journalist as well.

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    The bit that I really don't get is what the Government / spooks thought could be achieved. Whatever your position on whether the story should be published or otherwise, this act won't stop it - if anything, it will draw even more attention to the issue.

    Either they somehow believe it's the only version - so someone at the Guardian made it up? - or they must understand that if it is an electronic copy of a document, another copy must exist elsewhere. And they call it the intelligence service...

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    Quote Originally Posted by synaesthesia View Post
    That's 2 mac mainboards (neither from the model on the right), a graphics card and a TFT controller.
    The Guardian's description below the image in the article you linked to is wrong, but the two Mac mainboards are definitely from MacBook Pro's - Mid-2012 15" Retina Display models to be exact.





    Quote Originally Posted by synaesthesia View Post
    No hard drives, memory, anything. Something afoot?
    The original image The Guardian posted is shown below, so it's entirely possible that there is more on the table than what we are seeing. Either that, or the rest of the components just got swept up off the floor because they were in hundreds/thousands of tiny pieces. The platters of the PCs hard drive almost certainly would be.

    As you will no doubt know, the "Retina Display" MacBook Pro's have RAM that is soldered to the mainboard and PCIe-based solid-state drives so there wouldn't be any hard drives in those.



    Quote Originally Posted by pcstru View Post
    no reason why they couldn't just trash the HD rather than the whole Mac?
    Residual data left in RAM? Better to be safe than sorry.

    Quote Originally Posted by ICTDirect_Dave View Post
    Still not sure why there's two mainboards and a couple of other randoms in the pic though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Flatpackhamster View Post
    Yes, the inclusion of a VGA card alongside the chassis from a Macbook pro is particularly weird.

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    Guh, am I really the only person on the planet that knows exactly what the bottom board is.
    This is why information is important. *Everyone* in the public is told "A computer". Not "Computers" or "Multiple data sources"
    The mac on the right is not a Mac Pro and it's too old to be one of the SSD models.

    I've been around this crap too long to be able to tell that

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    Doesn't matter if the guy stopped was a journalist or not, he still shouldn't have been stopped. The government knew about it and tried fobbing the responsibility for the incident off to the Police. Later the government admit the Miranda detention, alongside the Guardian ransacking, was a show of force and to deter others from reporting on the Snowden case (basically bullying!). Then they confess that it was authorised by higher ups and cross-party squabbling began between Lib Dem and Conservative over who signed the order.

    Meanwhile the entire country has lost it's credibility and is no longer considered safe from a freedom of speech angle. If you go anywhere near the UK with potential Snowden material you get arrested and bullied by spooks.

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    They've also mentioned multiple times that they've copies of the same data in other countries.....

    So, who cares what they did with that HDD?

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    The government's justification is that they are destroying the information to prevent hackers from breaking into the Guardian's systems and stealing the data to use themselves.

    They did, however, abuse both the letter and the spirit of the law in detaining David Miranda. Section 7 of the Examining Officers under the Terrorism Act 2000 Code of Practice (PDF) states that the powers granted should be used "solely for the purpose of ascertaining if the person examined is or has been concerned in the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism" (page 10). Clearly that's not what was happening here.

    There's a lot of discussion and revelation been taking place about our security services recently, but this flagrant abuse of power has scared me more than anything else recently. It is at the level of a police state, and is everything we supposedly stood against for 40 years of Cold War. It's everything we supposedly stand against when we intervene in Iraq, Libya, or any of the Spring Uprising Arab states. The hypocrisy is galling, the callousness is terrifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by synaesthesia View Post
    The mac on the right is not a Mac Pro and it's too old to be one of the SSD models.
    No, it's a Mid-2012 15" "Retina Display" MacBook Pro (released on 11/06/2012). Who said it was a Mac Pro? The Guardian article didn't and no one in this thread did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofsanta View Post
    So, I hear South America is pretty warm, any tips on nice cities to live in?
    Belize is a nice place.

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    Referring to the chassis, not the mainboard, mac/macbook, same thing, they're both engineering disasters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by synaesthesia View Post
    Referring to the chassis
    So was I. It's a MacBook Pro, not a Mac Pro.

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