General Chat Thread, Guardian, Snowden etc in General; So, I'm only barely following this, but has anyone else noticed that either the Guardian are fobbing people off saying ...
21st August 2013, 05:38 PM #1
Guardian, Snowden etc
So, I'm only barely following this, but has anyone else noticed that either the Guardian are fobbing people off saying they've destroyed the machine holding evidence re Snowden, or are they using a really bad picture?
NSA files: why the Guardian in London destroyed hard drives of leaked files | World news | The Guardian
That's 2 mac mainboards (neither from the model on the right), a graphics card and a TFT controller. No hard drives, memory, anything. Something afoot?
21st August 2013, 06:00 PM #2
Good catch! I thought it was just a stock photo. There's no HD in the picture either (and no reason why they couldn't just trash the HD rather than the whole Mac?). The whole NSA/GCHQ thing is wierd and worrying. Democracy, Freedom, Liberty - I was kind of bought up to believe those were things worth fighting for.
21st August 2013, 06:22 PM #3
The spooks that oversaw the operation probably took the drive remains?
21st August 2013, 06:29 PM #4
It says further down that the Spooks didn't take anything with them but did instruct them in using various drills and angle grinders on the drives.
Still not sure why there's two mainboards and a cople of other randoms in the pic though.
21st August 2013, 06:42 PM #5
Yes, the inclusion of a VGA card alongside the chassis from a Macbook pro is particularly wierd.
Originally Posted by ICTDirect_Dave
The Guardian could be lying, of course, like it was lying when it claimed that the chap stopped at the airport was just the journalist's partner, when he was, in fact, another journalist as well.
21st August 2013, 06:46 PM #6
The bit that I really don't get is what the Government / spooks thought could be achieved. Whatever your position on whether the story should be published or otherwise, this act won't stop it - if anything, it will draw even more attention to the issue.
Either they somehow believe it's the only version - so someone at the Guardian made it up? - or they must understand that if it is an electronic copy of a document, another copy must exist elsewhere. And they call it the intelligence service...
22nd August 2013, 05:31 AM #7
22nd August 2013, 09:38 AM #8
Guh, am I really the only person on the planet that knows exactly what the bottom board is.
This is why information is important. *Everyone* in the public is told "A computer". Not "Computers" or "Multiple data sources"
The mac on the right is not a Mac Pro and it's too old to be one of the SSD models.
I've been around this crap too long to be able to tell that
22nd August 2013, 10:05 AM #9
Doesn't matter if the guy stopped was a journalist or not, he still shouldn't have been stopped. The government knew about it and tried fobbing the responsibility for the incident off to the Police. Later the government admit the Miranda detention, alongside the Guardian ransacking, was a show of force and to deter others from reporting on the Snowden case (basically bullying!). Then they confess that it was authorised by higher ups and cross-party squabbling began between Lib Dem and Conservative over who signed the order.
Meanwhile the entire country has lost it's credibility and is no longer considered safe from a freedom of speech angle. If you go anywhere near the UK with potential Snowden material you get arrested and bullied by spooks.
22nd August 2013, 10:36 AM #10
They've also mentioned multiple times that they've copies of the same data in other countries.....
So, who cares what they did with that HDD?
22nd August 2013, 10:40 AM #11
The government's justification is that they are destroying the information to prevent hackers from breaking into the Guardian's systems and stealing the data to use themselves.
They did, however, abuse both the letter and the spirit of the law in detaining David Miranda. Section 7 of the Examining Officers under the Terrorism Act 2000 Code of Practice (PDF) states that the powers granted should be used "solely for the purpose of ascertaining if the person examined is or has been concerned in the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism" (page 10). Clearly that's not what was happening here.
There's a lot of discussion and revelation been taking place about our security services recently, but this flagrant abuse of power has scared me more than anything else recently. It is at the level of a police state, and is everything we supposedly stood against for 40 years of Cold War. It's everything we supposedly stand against when we intervene in Iraq, Libya, or any of the Spring Uprising Arab states. The hypocrisy is galling, the callousness is terrifying.
So, I hear South America is pretty warm, any tips on nice cities to live in?
22nd August 2013, 10:52 AM #12
22nd August 2013, 10:54 AM #13
Belize is a nice place.
Originally Posted by sonofsanta
22nd August 2013, 10:56 AM #14
Referring to the chassis, not the mainboard, mac/macbook, same thing, they're both engineering disasters.
22nd August 2013, 10:59 AM #15
So was I. It's a MacBook Pro, not a Mac Pro.
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