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    Quite a nice article

    Kids can't use computers... and this is why it should worry you - Coding 2 Learn

    Quite a good read. I agree with some of it, however personally I think as a network manager he's probably just as much to blame for the shortcomings he documents at his own school. Some irony! The gist though is good.

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    A very well written article and i would agree with you about the shortcomings in his school.

    If you also read his other articles he links to in this one you can get quite a good picture of him.

    I think his 'It's our own fault... deal with it' post about deleting his onlince accounts is a bit of an extreme measure.

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    It's a well-written article, and I must say I do agree 100% with the points on mobile tech dumbing down levels of user expertise. The author's journey in IT from his first machine onwards is also very similar to my own, except mine was a 486SX 25MHz with DOS 5 and Windows 3. But I think it misses the point in some areas.

    First of all, what exactly is wrong with having experts in different areas to meet the diverse needs of the general populace? If I have a medical problem I go to a doctor... if I have a legal problem I go to a lawyer... if I have a problem with my car, I take it to a mechanic... just as if I were my mechanic and I had a problem with my computer, I might take it to someone like myself. The rhetoric I see spouted in this article is of the same manner I've heard before from people who THEN go on to say we should all be self-sufficient in society and anyone who isn't is a failure and not worth bothering with. And yes, I have actually heard such idiotic views from people who really ought to know better.

    Secondly, I must say I take my hat off to this guy. He is clearly one of those IT teachers who is ACTUALLY tech-savvy and could in fact do a Network Manager's job, though clearly in his school it's okay for that not to be a full-time post. Not griping as it's perfectly true that this can be the case in some schools. Wouldn't be here, but every school is different. The only problem I have with this view is that these people are, I'm afraid, very much in the minority. I'm not trolling all the really good IT teachers out there because I know they do exist, I just wish there were more of them (and I think sometimes so do they) - just as many on the TES forums lament that there should be more "good" IT pros in education. Whether I am right, or whether they are right, either way, could be debated for hours... either way, shortly before the end of term I had to painstakingly show our two IT teachers how to insert a segment of code - provided by the exam board - into an HTML document pre-generated by Mediator, as specified in the syllabus they're supposed to be teaching the kids!

    Thirdly, parents expecting their football/car-crazy sons to learn how to edit the Registry to stop something auto-loading on logon is simply not realistic. Also, just... "it really is fun and you get to feel like a hacker"... sorry to burst your bubble, mate, and this is coming from a fellow technophile, but do you honestly think 99% of people out there would actually WANT that? Got you beaten up at my school.

    Fourthly, whether or not we choose to exclude... yes, we do need to prevent pupils hacking the system. I used to know people who sold... that's right, SOLD... what I'd now know to be sensitive personal information on other pupils/teachers they'd illicitly acquired from the school system, for "sundry purposes" I'm sure. Sod their education, that's not happening on my watch and it's 100% fair enough. What precious details they don't learn at school, they can make up at college. But now I'm "the block to T&L" again... :/

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    An interesting article but I think it is approaching the problem from the wrong end. The car analogy is very good. But what is wrong with the fact that I can just get in my car and drive? It does everything I need it to do, behaves in a predictable manner, thanks to Sat Nav I rarely get lost, it rarely breaks and if it does I give it to an expert to sort out. I can’t wait until it drives itself.

    That’s how IT should be. In the words of the song “But I got a girlfriend and things to get done” (see link). It’s not people; the problem is that the technology that is still maturing.

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    They have to be a member!
    It's a class 'A' rant that

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    I was thinking that If not, they should be. It's great seeing teacher/network managers too IMO, it's another perspective to see rather than just the technical side of things. Not that just being a techie is bad of course, but I've little doubt it helps bridge the teacher-techie gap that seems to so often exist (feeling quite lucky in this!)

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    For the last 3 years I taught after school ICT national certificate and this year in my new job will be teaching Cisco IT Essentials to 6th Formers during school time and it certainly has given me a better perspective of what it's like to stand at the front of Relying on everything to work.

    I know I certainly wouldn't want to do that full time!

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    I thought it was an interesting article. I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but it was interesting.

    His point about how when cars first came out everyone knew how to tune the engine and change the oil, but now we don't... that's because a) we don't NEED to know how to do those things, as Ephelyon said, there are specialists now who can do it for you and b) cars are a lot more complex than they were back then!

    Also, he really lost me and came across as arrogant here:
    I handed back the MacBook and the woman opened up Safari. ‘The Internet’s not working,’ she stated with disdain.

    I’ve heard this sentence so many times now from students and staff, that I have a stock reaction. Normally I pull out my mobile phone and pretend to tap in a few numbers. Holding the handset to my ear I say: ‘Yes, give me the office of the President of the United States…. NO, I WILL NOT HOLD. This is an emergency…. Hello, Mister President, I’m afraid I have some bad news. I’ve just been informed that The Internet is not working.’

    I decided that the young woman would probably not appreciate the sarcasm, and took the MacBook off her so I could add in the county’s proxy server settings.
    Really? That's his stock response? And not only is he a teacher, but he's meant to be helping people on his network...

    Plus the proxy bit - she's a visitor to the school, no she probably doesn't KNOW that the county has a proxy server that doesn't autodetect and no she doesn't know the IP/address of the proxy - why does that make her an idiot as he wants to imply?

    The guy really annoys me to be honest, even if I do see his general point.

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