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    How would you upgrade this?

    My rig has been suffering from stuttering and low framerate on newer games lately. Lighting is especially bad and kills FPS whilst titles like BF3 or the new Saints Row require quad-core as the industry shifts away from dual core.

    So how would you upgrade this PC? I am trying to work out if it is easier to upgrade or buy a new rig outright! Sadly I have no idea what motherboard I have (not that I am too confident in replacing that or the CPU!)...

    AMD Phenom II X2 3GHz (unlocked to 3 cores)
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    nVidia GTX275
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    upgrade Graphics to maybe a GTX650 or GTX660 that will give you the main boost of performance you need

    without being to expensive

    And if your motherboard will take AM3+ CPUs then perhaps something like this AMD Piledriver FX-6 will give you that extra oomph needed for running more multi-core stuff
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    You haven't listed your motherboard or the type of ram that you're using, plus also the PSU is also important

    You may find that purchasing a AMD CPU with built in GPU, eg the AMD APU A10 6800K (that has a HD 8670D) with a compat motherboard and compat ram (if your current ram isn't), may be a cheaper option than upgrading your GC and Processor separately (but it does really depend on your upgrade choices/spec and budget).
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    I'll be honest, I have no clue what RAM and motherboard I have as I have long since thrown out the manuals etc.

    Oh god I'm turning into an end user. D:

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    Download CPU-Z and that should tell you EVERYTHING EVAAARRRR CPUID - System & hardware benchmark, monitoring, reporting

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    OK this is the stuff reported back by CPU-Z:

    AMD Phenom II X2 B50 3.1GHz (Bumped up to 3 core).
    ASUS M4A77TD Motherboard
    8GB DDR3 667MHz
    nVidia 896MB GTX275

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    Biggest difference purely for gaming would be a new graphics card without a doubt, but that said it depends how much you're looking to spend as to what you replace and what you replace it with.

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    I just priced up a new processor and mobo with a friend and...ouch! I will probably get a GTX660 then do the motherboard upgrade. If performance with the Phenom is acceptable then I won't bother ripping it out.

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    Update: Almost pay day and I am shopping around!

    Thinking of the following:
    - Fan (with pre-applied paste) Arctic Cooling Freezer 13 Intel and AMD Socket.. | Ebuyer.com
    - FX-6350 AMD FX-6350 Socket AM3+ 3.9GHz 14MB Cache Retail Boxed.. | Ebuyer.com
    - Recommended AM3+ Motherboard Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3 Socket AM3+ 7.1 Channel Audio ATX.. | Ebuyer.com

    What do you think? I was considering the A10 APU but I already have a GTX760 card since posting which proved quite awesome.

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    Personally i reckon you'd be better off with this:
    Intel Core i3 4130 3.40GHz Socket 1150 3MB Cache.. | Ebuyer.com
    Asus B85 Plus Socket 1150 DVI D-Sub 8-Channel HD Audio.. | Ebuyer.com

    faster single threaded performance, much much lower energy usage, better motherboard and loads more scope for massive performance improvements should you need it. Obviously if you happened to have an extra Ł40 then the i5 4430 would kick the gonads off that AMD cpu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wagnerk View Post
    You may find that purchasing a AMD CPU with built in GPU, eg the AMD APU A10 6800K (that has a HD 8670D) with a compat motherboard and compat ram (if your current ram isn't), may be a cheaper option than upgrading your GC and Processor separately (but it does really depend on your upgrade choices/spec and budget).
    Built myself an A10 rig ~6 months ago. Hasn't let me down at all. I don't particularly thrash it, most recent games I've played are DOTA 2, BF3, Saints Row 3, so hardly 'brand spanking new', but they run wonderfully at max settings.

    ASUS F2A55 sFM2 Motherboard, AMD A10 5800K Black Edition CPU with Corsair H60 watercooler, 8GB (2x4GB) Corsair Vengeance DDR3 RAM, 1GB MSI HD7850 Graphics Card and a 2TB Western Digital SATA3 HDD, all wired up to a SStone Strider ST60F-ES 600W PSU. Got a case and some USB speakers with it, too, but they're less important. Cost me around Ł650

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    Copy my rig.

    See and feel the difference. Only thing i might change is the HDD. Buy a Samsung, or the OCZ pci-e hdd.

    Also, @CAM, if you buy a AMD, you'll miss out on about 50 - 70fps on most games. Just a heads up.
    Last edited by Sunnyknight; 24th September 2013 at 02:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnyknight View Post
    Also, @CAM, if you buy a AMD, you'll miss out on about 50 - 70fps on most games. Just a heads up.
    [citation needed]

    EDIT: just to add, if you can get a Phenom II X4 it will be plenty fine. I have a Phenom II X4 965, stock-clocked at 3.4GHz, with a new Geforce 680. The CPU is what is limiting my system now - I can watch the graph in Battlefield 3 and see it happening. My FPS is still around 80-90 with never a dip below 60, with everything dialled all the way up. A quad core Phenom II is just fine.

    I suspect a lot of what was limiting you with the 275 was the amount of VRAM. 760 is still a good GPU, although there's been some cracking deals on 680s and 7970s recently
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    ^^Totally disagree with you @Sunnyknight - there's so many variables there I don't know where to start. 50-70fps? More like 5-7.

    Your current mobo won't take an A series APU, it's on AM3. It may take an AM3+ (Bulldozer or Piledriver) CPU. A Phenom II x4 or x6 will be a decent upgrade if you stuck with your current rig, still some x4s kicking around in the channel.

    GPU upgrade will make the most difference, as stated. An Intel system (like for like) will give you better performance no doubt though.

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    @3s-gtech

    I moved from a high end AMD rig, to a high end (at the time) Intel rig.

    Guild wars 2:-

    Amd - 40fps tops
    Intel - 110 with ease

    BF3:-

    Amd - 50fps - 70fps
    Intel - 150+ constant

    Arma 2:-

    Amd - 20 - 40 fps
    Intel - 90+

    League Of legends:-

    Amd - 60 - 70
    Intel - 130+

    This is with a straight CPU + Mobo swap. I could go on, but... i'm tired lol

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