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    There is a bright side to all this. Owning 50 Shades of Grey will incur a 3 year prison sentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    Can't see the meme. Ohhh let me guess, uhhh aliens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAM View Post
    Can't see the meme. Ohhh let me guess, uhhh aliens?
    What do Mexicans have to do with it? [Mexicans picked purely for the stereotypical links to illegal immigration.]

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    So in a straw poll of Sys Admins who maintain/manage internet filtering in an environment where child protection is a key tenet of operations, to this legislation they say: NO.

    The thing that bothers me that hasn't really been pushed by those who've railed before me is two fold: 1) The press were initially conflating images of non-consensual physical/sexual abuse and the set of all images that might be catagorised as pornography and 2) Filtering stuff people want drives those people to look up ways to bypass these filters i.e. towards the very dark corners of the internet that enable and are inhabited by the child abusers etc.. a complete reversal of their intentions... Though of course most people on the planet who use annonymisers and firewall bypass tools are in fact people trying to get free speech in oppressive environments.

    Another thought: The teach them to swim analogy, great, fair point. Where is the counter argument from proponents of this legislation?

    Final question: I wonder how long before your home/mobile internet pornography opt-out status becomes available to prospective employers?
    Last edited by psydii; 22nd July 2013 at 02:16 PM. Reason: adjusted my observation about the conflation, DC's speech makes it clear they are two separate issues. H

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    Quote Originally Posted by X-13 View Post
    What do Mexicans have to do with it? [Mexicans picked purely for the stereotypical links to illegal immigration.]
    I don't know. Ironically imgur is filtered that's why I can't see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAM View Post
    I don't know. Ironically imgur is filtered that's why I can't see it.
    Same here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psydii View Post
    [censored] this guy.

    How do I go about making my own country? I want to declare war.

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    I see someone has started an e-petition about this: Do Not Force ISP Filtering of Pornography and Other Content - e-petitions
    Shame they didn't really think out their argument very well and missed out some major points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dos_Box View Post
    I see someone has started an e-petition about this: Do Not Force ISP Filtering of Pornography and Other Content - e-petitions
    Shame they didn't really think out their argument very well and missed out some major points.
    IIRC, one of the IT teachers at my old secondary school was called Iain Simms... Small world.

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    He was doing ok for the first couple of paragraphs. Then he seemed to suggest the likes of Google manually vet each webpage they trawl, confused a search engine with an ISP, and forgot that most of this stuff is hosted in foreign institutions beyond his control. I came away wondering if he had any idea how the Internet actually works beyond "wires and pixie dust"?

    Oh-hum, Getting ISP's to install a central filter that I can opt out off via a simple web interface isn't such a bad, end of the world as we know it, idea. How ISP's go about confirming that it's an adult that turned the filtering off is perhaps more interesting.

    I think he needs to talk our friends at Smoothwall about transparent proxies on our out going connections at LINX...

    (then we can all just get VPN's to Somalia and be done with it!)

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    Thinking about it, what's going to happen with the people who do choose to opt-out? Are we going to be kept on some sort of list? There isn't a chance in hell that the gov. will simply take "No, I don't want the filters" as a viable response and then walk away from that person. If anything they'll end up monitoring our internet activity, text messages and invade our privacy/personal life because we've said no we're immediately targeted/labelled as a potential risk, surely? ( Should all of that monitoring stuff actually be true. I'm not trying to start the debate again or whatever, just saying in context. Don't attack me please )

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmcd35 View Post
    He was doing ok for the first couple of paragraphs. Then he seemed to suggest the likes of Google manually vet each webpage they trawl, confused a search engine with an ISP, and forgot that most of this stuff is hosted in foreign institutions beyond his control. I came away wondering if he had any idea how the Internet actually works beyond "wires and pixie dust"?
    Americans are quite fond of their 4th amendment rights. I very much doubt Google has much interest in being the Internet police for the British government.

    Oh-hum, Getting ISP's to install a central filter that I can opt out off via a simple web interface isn't such a bad, end of the world as we know it, idea. How ISP's go about confirming that it's an adult that turned the filtering off is perhaps more interesting.
    Tech for this already exists. This kind of filtering is already done on Mobile data connections. In my case with GiffGaff you have to go into the web account management interface and put in your passport number for checking.

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    Just read thought report and all it seems to sum up is him saying : -

    Cameron is at it again.....-think-children.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmcd35 View Post
    Oh-hum, Getting ISP's to install a central filter that I can opt out off via a simple web interface isn't such a bad, end of the world as we know it, idea. How ISP's go about confirming that it's an adult that turned the filtering off is perhaps more interesting.
    No, that's not so bad really but do you honestly believe it'll stop there? As usual, this is an example of a government using an emotionally charged subject (child protection) to put in infrastructure that will later be used for all sorts of oppressive behaviour. A forum post slating the government? Can't have that! Blocked. A footballer doesn't like this website's photos of him and has lots of cash to throw at the problem? Blocked! A website detailing some embarrassing government blunders gained via a whistle blower? Blocked!

    We have to fight crap like this otherwise little by little we're going to lose all freedom we have. Look at North Korea: as extreme an example as they are of a controlling paranoid government, do you not think that deep down, all governments would love to be able to control the people to the extent they do? I know this all sounds so far fetched but I'm getting sick of being fed crap now and being expected to enjoy it because "it's for the kids" or to "catch the terrorists." Our fears are being plundered and as a nation we're letting it happen.

    The saddest part of it all is that most people don't even notice or care. They're winning.



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