General Chat Thread, Cameron is at it again..... in General; Analogy time: expecting the search engines to police online content is like expecting Ordnance Survey to police squatters, because they've ...
22nd July 2013, 11:07 AM #31
Analogy time: expecting the search engines to police online content is like expecting Ordnance Survey to police squatters, because they've mapped the house that is now being used for squatting.
22nd July 2013, 11:08 AM #32
In fairness, they do seem to have been quite specific in terms of suggesting that this is online pornography that depicts rape... so presumably your bog-standard old-school pizza delivery guy scenario is safe for a little while longer. The "old" Internet maxim that "if it exists, there is porn of it" would seem to suggest that the majority of porn will continue unabated. I'm sure other interested bodies [no pun intended] can discuss whether or not that's a good thing... :P
22nd July 2013, 11:08 AM #33
It appears i woke up in China/North Korea this morning, i cant find my way home because google maps is blocked due to someone sunbathing topless. Help!
Its very worrying and Orwellian.
I remember reading an article I can't relocate about predictions for future roads by motorists, the 80's predictions were full of hope and promise, self driving cars, fewer cars in cities ect. The more recent ones were along the lines of "speed camera's on every road, reg plate recognition camera's", Just shows how resigned to this the general public is.
I don't mind CCTV on the streets, but things like this and the PRISM leak show how the government are not content with monitoring our public lives, but feel the need to monitor/dictate our personal ones too.
Last edited by LiamH; 22nd July 2013 at 11:13 AM.
22nd July 2013, 11:08 AM #34
They start with child protection so its hard to rally against. Then they'll include sites that are bad for commerce (piracy), then sites that are bad for government... Then the next thing you know the local council are reading your emails to see your paying enough council tax..
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22nd July 2013, 11:09 AM #35
Wonderful, I've had enough bloody problems with filtering systems at the workplace (SWGfL, Websense,) never mind at home! I can't imagine this will be using a decent filtering system either, can you? How long before I end up getting blocked out because it picked up the keyword "f**king" in a forum post and automatically assumes I'm looking at adult material, or I'm a member of a clan on a MMORPG game and it blocks me out of the clan's website for having "Roleplay" in it - "Bugger me skipper, he's been flagged for Roleplay. It must involve all sorts of illegal acts. BROADSWORD TO DANNY BOY, BLOCK HIM BLOCK HIM BLOCK HIM!" - Pfft, please..
Another dose of the government trying to tackle a problem they have zero knowledge of, it isn't just websites. People have access to all sorts of technology these days, I imagine all sorts gets sent over text messages or WhatsApp/Kik/BBM/Skype etc. - Absolutely clueless bunch.
I will not be surprised if this is one of their 'cunning plans</baldrick>' to worm even more filtering into our internet access. How long before they suddenly try blocking out other types of content beyond adult material? "Sorry, you can't watch those Family Guy clips on youtube anymore!"
Last edited by Fleetwood; 22nd July 2013 at 11:22 AM.
22nd July 2013, 11:15 AM #36
So the reason this is being pushed is because (unlike renting films)there are no rules when accessing the internet the solution is to filtering everyone's access rather than a raise awareness of the existing filters that can be put in place by parents NOW? No filter can replace supervision and education about using the internet and rather than teaching children to use it properly they are now going to provide a false sense of security to parents thinking that their children will not see any "adult material".
How long after being put in place until we see the headline that some parents are going to try and make a claim against their ISP because it let boobs through on the internet because little johnny was searching for "boobs" but his parents assumed everything would be ok?
Why can't we just push for parents to take more interest in parenting?
Last edited by penfold; 22nd July 2013 at 11:18 AM.
22nd July 2013, 11:21 AM #37
no point. The responsible ones already do, the ones that dont care wont and will just complain that the state isnt bringing up their kids for them. Just look at parents evenings by and large the parents that turn up are the ones nobody needs to see as their kids are doing fine the ones that dont turn up are the grotbags parents
Originally Posted by penfold
22nd July 2013, 11:26 AM #38
Shameless advertising: the book "The WiFi Generation" goes into detail about this, saying how filtering on the family PC is useless as long as they (or a friend) have a smartphone.
"We can no longer constrain or forbid them; we who were once taught to be streetwise must now teach our children to be mediawise."
22nd July 2013, 11:27 AM #39
The blocking of sites to protect children should be down to the parents, or be an opt-in feature at the least as not everyone has the knowledge to set a filtering system up. I'm all for the blocking of adult content to protect children, but that's where it should end, though I'm sure it won't. It'll only be a matter of time, as people have mentioned, before they're blocking social networking sites and photography sites due to the possibility of adult content. Then slowly, I can see sites with forums where users have had a rant and moan about the government being classed as "terrorism" or "discrimination" and getting blocked too.
Think about it, a lot of sites could in one way or another be argued to have adult content on it, and therefore be blocked by default. If anyone has ever taken a mobile phone contract out and not asked for the content block to be removed, you'll know what I mean - the amount of sites that are blocked by that is silly, I think it was with Vodafone at one point they even blocked ebay!
They should tackle the dodgey stuff at the source, blocking it is not going to help. If someone wants to see it, they're going to find a way to do so! Then, concentrate on educating the parents on the dangers of the internet so they can personally put measure in place to protect their own children.
Last edited by gtg93; 22nd July 2013 at 11:29 AM.
Reason: Fixing my terrible attempt at grammar! :/
22nd July 2013, 11:29 AM #40
orange used to (not with them anymore) block edugeek as adult material
Originally Posted by gtg93
22nd July 2013, 11:33 AM #41
Well, with all the dodgey content on here I'm not surprised!
Originally Posted by sted
This proves my point really. Just because it's a forum, it doesn't mean it's going to be full of people swearing and sharing illegal content.
And, if the one the ISPs are forced to put in place is anything like the mobile one I was talking about, or the ones used in schools, it's likely some self help sites such as Talk To Frank will be blocked, whether by accident or not, for containing drug references.
It's never going to be a fool proof system, so therefore, in my opinion, education is still the best solution.
Last edited by gtg93; 22nd July 2013 at 11:35 AM.
22nd July 2013, 11:39 AM #42
i would go a step further and say its the ONLY solution
Originally Posted by gtg93
22nd July 2013, 11:51 AM #43
I'm paraphrasing, but I was shown this quote on an e-safety course, and I quite liked it:
Originally Posted by gtg93
To keep our children safe around swimming pools we can install fences, wire up pool alarms, provide life jackets and supervise our children constantly. Or we can teach our children to swim.
It's the best analogy I've heard for the issue of online safety.
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22nd July 2013, 11:53 AM #44
It does seem like just one step closer to the Great Firewall of China.
22nd July 2013, 11:57 AM #45
I nearly posted that earlier (don't know why I didn't now). Also thought, look how well that's worked out for them...
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