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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatpackhamster View Post
    I guess I just don't see the fun in what is essentially a solitary act where you interact with other people through the medium of a screen being transported to a pub, which is a place where you interact with other people through the medium of talking to their faces. I just don't see how an anti-social activity gels with a social one. And gaming is an anti-social activity, and I write as a keen gamer (with no time to game any more).
    I don't think it's so black and white any more. Granted, I'm something of a solitary gamer as I tend towards single player campaigns, but many of my friends will play multiplayer games and coop games all the time, either at their own houses or sat together with separate screens so they can chat face-to-face rather than over a headset. I do think gaming has become much more social in recent years with the rise of services like XBL and PSN.

    As for going to the pub, well it's somewhere to meet like minded people, to watch tournaments as they unfold (just like you would football/rugby/cricket/countless other sports people go to the pub to watch together) or to play games yourself, with a pint, whilst chatting to your mates.

    I'll be honest, this was one of those ideas I've had in mind to run a gaming pub if I ever won the lottery!

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    You rarely find these types of places anymore. Certainly not one anywhere near where I live. I came across a place called Xtreme gaming in Colchester while I was researching the idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatpackhamster View Post
    I guess I just don't see the fun in what is essentially a solitary act where you interact with other people through the medium of a screen being transported to a pub, which is a place where you interact with other people through the medium of talking to their faces. I just don't see how an anti-social activity gels with a social one. And gaming is an anti-social activity, and I write as a keen gamer (with no time to game any more).
    Some of the best social times I've had were LAN parties playing Halo 2 on the old Xbox. We'd share a crate of beer, some snacks and the general bloodlust created by blowing someones head off from 200 yards with a sniper rifle. If we would've been able to do similar in a local pub we would've jumped at it, certainly would've mean a lot less to carry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LosOjos View Post
    I don't think it's so black and white any more. Granted, I'm something of a solitary gamer as I tend towards single player campaigns, but many of my friends will play multiplayer games and coop games all the time, either at their own houses or sat together with separate screens so they can chat face-to-face rather than over a headset. I do think gaming has become much more social in recent years with the rise of services like XBL and PSN.

    As for going to the pub, well it's somewhere to meet like minded people, to watch tournaments as they unfold (just like you would football/rugby/cricket/countless other sports people go to the pub to watch together) or to play games yourself, with a pint, whilst chatting to your mates.

    I'll be honest, this was one of those ideas I've had in mind to run a gaming pub if I ever won the lottery!
    My brother plays a couple of MMOs and does that new-fangled talking-video-whatchamacallit. Maybe I'm just an old git from a gaming point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatpackhamster View Post
    My brother plays a couple of MMOs and does that new-fangled talking-video-whatchamacallit. Maybe I'm just an old git from a gaming point of view.
    Ha, I know what you mean, like I said before I am something of a solitary gamer. I hate playing online most of the time, though I do enjoy multiplayer LAN games (i.e. sat in the same room chatting and playing), but my younger brother and to an even bigger degree the missus' younger brother spend a hell of a lot of time socialising on XBL. In fact, the missus' brother met his long term GF playing FF12 and actually goes over to Virginia to stay with her every few months!

    It's all alien to me but at least gaming isn't something everyone does in the darkness of their bedroom alone any more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatpackhamster View Post
    I guess I just don't see the fun in what is essentially a solitary act where you interact with other people through the medium of a screen being transported to a pub, which is a place where you interact with other people through the medium of talking to their faces. I just don't see how an anti-social activity gels with a social one. And gaming is an anti-social activity, and I write as a keen gamer (with no time to game any more).
    I'm so tempted to try and get a tenuous link with pr0n in here... It's ok viewed through a screen but much more fun in person!

    I was also an avid gamer and very anti-social (still am quite anti-social if not the gamer), in fact I'm sure there was a huge impact on a previous relationship and it was a factor in the break-up (hours on end glued to a screen blocking everything out with headphones for evenings and even whole weekends).

    Many people (myself included) lack a lot of the social skills to interact 'down the pub' but would still deep down like to go out and meet other like-minded people, or don't want to go to those places because they just don't feel comfortable.

    I don't enjoy the atmosphere or clientele (or music choice) in the majority of pubs and clubs I have been to...

    Gaming is only viewed as 'anti-social' because that's the way the majority of people have access to it. In their own homes, on their own computers! That's not to say it couldn't be another way. It can be much more fun with a few mates like 4-player Streetfighter 'down the arcade'. Multiplayer gaming is a social activity as much as any other accessed through the internet (Facebook, Twitter and plenty of other 'social' medias, including things like dating sites and that side of the 'net are accessed by solitary people in their homes reaching out). I've sat in countless times wishing I could go 'out' to somewhere I want to be, somewhere I might fit in, might find someone to 'talk to'.

    I remember LAN parties being quite the 'rage' and seeing tournaments being played out. I wished I could've gone to see Heat0n back in the good old Counterstrike days!

    Kol.
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    Never really got the whole antisocial thing tbh.

    Most of the time i am gaming i'll be on voice com's with other people who i can genuinely say are my "gaming" friends, its a lot more sociable than watching TV. I do go to the pub every week with my old school mates and spend time away from the computer a fair bit, i can see the 24/7 gaming people as being viewed as antisocial, but its all about moderation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LosOjos View Post
    As for going to the pub, well it's somewhere to meet like minded people, to watch tournaments as they unfold (just like you would football/rugby/cricket/countless other sports people go to the pub to watch together) or to play games yourself, with a pint, whilst chatting to your mates.
    Just wanted to add that although those sports are all played in teams, there are just as many sports people watch where it is just one-on-one, or even one versus many such as athletics. I always jokingly told people I was an athlete... Cyberathlete!

    Kol.

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    Most titles these days are best played with friends. If you can go down a pub, meet said friends from online and all watch a tournament of the game you play I see no harm. Of course, until we can teleport freely over continents to the local boozer then we may only be able to meet some on our friends lists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAM View Post
    ...until we can teleport freely over continents to the local boozer...
    and let's face it, when that happens, I won't be drinking in England any more!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamH View Post
    Never really got the whole antisocial thing tbh.

    Most of the time i am gaming i'll be on voice com's with other people who i can genuinely say are my "gaming" friends, its a lot more sociable than watching TV. I do go to the pub every week with my old school mates and spend time away from the computer a fair bit, i can see the 24/7 gaming people as being viewed as antisocial, but its all about moderation.
    I totally agree, unfortunately it's not always a conscious choice. Maybe it's a cliche or a stereotype, but I didn't have any friends (still don't) lol, was always the 'different' kid at school (which was also a loooooong time ago and miles away from where I am now) and I started solitary gaming from a very early age. Our CS clan was sociable though, meeting up for regular BBQ's

    It's something I am at great pains to steer my own son away from (as hard as that is because I'd love to kick his a$$ at old skool CS), but he constantly asks to play on the PC, Wii, DS or playstation... I have to make him go outside and play, or take him to clubs and build social skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnyknight View Post
    I can't stand miserable fudgers....
    That surprises me, you come across as such a delightfully cheerful fellow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koldov View Post
    I didn't have any friends (still don't)
    I don't have any friends either...

    Let's not have friends together.

    TBH, whether it's watchable depends on the multiplayer.

    Some, like AC and starcraft , are more strategy focused. So you can watch them and try to figure out what the players are trying to achieve. [Along with the "he should have XYZ instead"]

    "Last of us"'s multiplayer is supposed to be good. At least one mode for certain. It would also make for a good survival-horror ish doodlydo you can watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LosOjos View Post
    That surprises me, you come across as such a delightfully cheerful fellow
    I'll tolerate you as you're a Double U Emmy

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    Quote Originally Posted by X-13 View Post
    I don't have any friends either...

    Let's not have friends together.

    TBH, whether it's watchable depends on the multiplayer.

    Some, like AC and starcraft , are more strategy focused. So you can watch them and try to figure out what the players are trying to achieve. [Along with the "he should have XYZ instead"]

    "Last of us"'s multiplayer is supposed to be good. At least one mode for certain. It would also make for a good survival-horror ish doodlydo you can watch.
    Ok, as long as that doesn't make us friends

    Yeah, most sports can be about strategy though. Who could forget the nail biting 37 hour long epic World chess championship in '86! It was so fast and furious, absolutely sent the crowd wild with a flurry of one move every hour (I jest)!

    Although having said that, I would watch that any day over 22 overpaid idiots kicking a pigs bladder, mindlessly up and down a field for 90 minutes....

    RUNS FOR COVER!

    Kol.

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