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General Chat Thread, Gaming dev resources for a noob in General; Originally Posted by LosOjos All languages are different, otherwise they wouldn't be different languages. Java is often taught early because ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LosOjos View Post
    All languages are different, otherwise they wouldn't be different languages. Java is often taught early because it's fairly easy to pick up and 100% OO.

    BTW:
    - Oxford start off teaching Haskell
    - Cambridge start you off on Java
    - Keele don't specify on their website but do say "a contemporary programming language" - so probably not C and actually quite likely Java or something.NET

    I won't go on, but the point is: don't make false claims, they're too easy to disprove!
    -Haskell is not Java, and they DID start off with C when i was in Uni, things have changed without a doubt.
    -A student who is studying Computer Science Games Development and another who is studying Computer Science Software Engineering has told me otherwise. No offence, i take their word over yours. Again, no offence.
    -A friend who i've just phoned and is studying Bio-Chem has told me they don't start off with Java. (I presume he asked one of his mates or checked the modules).

    Why would i need to make false claims over the internet?
    Last edited by Sunnyknight; 24th June 2013 at 03:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    Python is great fun to learn/program in. Google Labs have some really good tutorials.

    https://developers.google.com/edu/python/
    I second this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnyknight View Post
    Why would i need to make false claims over the internet?
    Virtual gonads?

    Title alone on this book makes it a winner,even if the reviews aren't great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bondbill2k2 View Post
    Virtual gonads?
    Hahahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnyknight View Post
    -Haskell is not Java.
    -A student who is studying Computer Science Games Development and another who is studying Computer Science Software Engineering has told me otherwise. No offence, i take their word over yours. Again, no offence.
    -A friend who i've just phoned and is studying Bio-Chem has told me they don't start off with Java. (I presume he asked one of his mates or checked the modules).

    Why would i need to make false claims over the internet?
    Haskell isn't C based either.

    Well, obviously if you know people then listen to them but everything I said was taken straight from their websites.

    In this day and age where just about everything is OO, it doesn't make sense to learn to code in C. C is almost exclusively reserved for embedded programming nowadays.

    I have no idea why you would feel the need to make false claims on the Internet it just seems you have make a lot of claims that clash with with the experiences of others and have no hard facts to back them up.
    Last edited by LosOjos; 24th June 2013 at 03:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBlax View Post
    I think that's what X-13 was getting at Sunnyqueen
    I was actually talking about collaborative learning.

    We all work towards the same end goal and share (free) resources, but work on our games individually. (And helping each other out if/when we're stuck.)

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    Other then my first year module on basic none OO java near 5 years ago (A16 ) I havn't touched coding really, reading this discussion is making me want to try out python and even refresh my memory on java

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    Quote Originally Posted by LosOjos View Post
    Haskell isn't C based either.

    Well, obviously if you know people then listen to them but everything I said was taken straight from their websites.

    In this day and age where just about everything is OO, it doesn't make sense to learn to code in C. C is almost exclusively reserved for embedded programming nowadays.

    I have no idea why you would feel the need to make false claims on the Internet it just seems you have a lot of opinions that clash with with the opinions of others and no hard facts to back them up.
    You sound like my lecturer who thought i couldn't make the car simulation or do Windows System Programming, until i threw both in his face and got a B & A for my work. I don't NEED to say anything false over this. What i know, and what i don't know, i will say. What i know, i will try to expand on. What i don't know, i will ask for help with, or LIVE and let dieeeeee, LIVE and let dieeeeee (song from Shrek comes to mind).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnyknight View Post
    leave and let dieeeeee, leave and let dieeeeee (song from Shrek comes to mind).
    Or an awkwardly-accented person singing the classic theme song for the bond film Live and Let Die. "He always did have an over-inflated opinion of himself.."
    @X-13 : my bad, I read your post wrong. Many apologies
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnyknight View Post
    You sound like my lecturer who thought i couldn't make the car simulation or do Windows System Programming, until i threw both in his face and got a B & A for my work. I don't NEED to say anything false over this. What i know, and what i don't know, i will say. What i know, i will try to expand on. What i don't know, i will ask for help with, or leave and let dieeeeee, leave and let dieeeeee (song from Shrek comes to mind).
    Have you ever considered that it's because you don't communicate well? For all I know, you could have written CryEngine single handedly and are sat on a yacht somehwere pretending to a school IT tech for giggles. Problem is, all I see is your avatar and the words you type, which when put so aggressively come off as arrogant. "No, don't learn Java, learn C++, it's the only way. You'll never make a game on your own, you need a team. I know because I went to uni!" Why not calm down and try some communication? If you have an opinion, express it. Don't just throw out some spurious claims and then rage at anyone who disagress wth you.

    PS: It's live and let die

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    Quote Originally Posted by bondbill2k2 View Post
    reading this discussion is making me want to try out python and even refresh my memory on java
    One of us! One of us! One of us!

    TBH python sounds like the proper starting place. I suggest python > java > (one of the Cs) with increasing difficulty/complexity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LosOjos View Post
    PS: It's live and let die
    Don't care. Don't care.... lol I know what i meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnyknight View Post
    I know what i meant.
    That's the problem. You know what you mean, but nobody else does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X-13 View Post
    I was actually talking about collaborative learning.

    We all work towards the same end goal and share (free) resources, but work on our games individually. (And helping each other out if/when we're stuck.)
    ^^ This.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawns View Post
    ^^ This.
    I think we need an Edugeek Game devs group.

    Or just do it through steam.

    Though, I'd say Edugeek. Steam is blocked at work and I can probably pass this off as CPD.

    Le EDIT: In fact, I HAVE passed this off as CPD. For a while I had codeblocks (I think that's what it was called) installed on my work laptop.
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