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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnyknight View Post
    or you could all @TBlax @X-13 @Rawns make a game together...
    Sounds good to me. However I think I'll need to get to grips with the very basics and reach a certain level before I can actually be of any use!

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    Personnally, as a noob, I'd go about it slightly differently.

    Instead of jumping in the deep end with C/C++/C#, I'd look at a more hold by the hands solution first and move up to a more complex/lower level language latter. Have a good look at Greenfoot. This will get you used to basic game design concepts and Object Orientated program using C-like commands without having to delve to deep into the design.

    From here you can strip away some of the safty nets and try rewriting your masterpiece with something like BlueJ - Teaching Java - Learning Java

    From there the lower level C based languages aren't such a big step and you'd have most of the basic concepts mastered.

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    C / C# / C++ vs Java is completely different. I mean, completely.

    If you want to venture into c, then don't start fiddling around with java. You'll get confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawns View Post
    Sounds good to me. However I think I'll need to get to grips with the very basics and reach a certain level before I can actually be of any use!
    Same here. It's why I suggested it.

    Plus, it would help me focus on what I need to do.
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    I've done a lot of work with LUA before. I hear it's similar/based off of one of the C's but not sure how much/which one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnyknight View Post
    C / C# / C++ vs Java is completely different. I mean, completely.
    Which is why a lot of universities teach Java in year one before moving on to C and Assembler in later years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmcd35 View Post
    Which is why a lot of universities teach Java in year one before moving on to C and Assembler in later years?
    You do realize that C and Java can be traced back to their origins to be known for their differences? I would love to see which of the top-end Universities focus on Java and don't dive right into C.

    I know Oxford, Cambridge, Keele, Aston, De-motford (however you spell it), Warwick, Bath and Hertfordshire do not. Straight into C they go. Java is optional in the 2nd year as a module for most.

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    Anyway, @Rawns Best of luck on your project!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBlax View Post
    I think that's what X-13 was getting at Sunnyqueen brilliant game idea:

    You're an IT Technician in a school. It's home time, you've picked up your things and ready to leave. The plot of the game? Escape to your car whilst trying to avoid fire-breathing teachers/snot shooting kids with their petty requests. Final Boss could be RM trying to sell you their latest products.*

    *Disclaimer: It's a sh1t3 idea, I know
    An IT support sim might work great, reminds me of papers please and the call center sim... which later cost him his job at a call center

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnyknight View Post
    You do realize that C and Java can be traced back to their origins to be known for their differences? I would love to see which of the top-end Universities focus on Java and don't dive right into C.

    I know Oxford, Cambridge, Keele, Aston, De-motford (however you spell it), Warwick, Bath and Hertfordshire do not. Straight into C they go. Java is optional in the 2nd year as a module for most.
    All languages are different, otherwise they wouldn't be different languages. Java is often taught early because it's fairly easy to pick up and 100% OO.

    BTW:
    - Oxford start off teaching Haskell
    - Cambridge start you off on Java
    - Keele don't specify on their website but do say "a contemporary programming language" - so probably not C and actually quite likely Java or something.NET

    I won't go on, but the point is: don't make false claims, they're too easy to disprove!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnyknight View Post
    You do realize that C and Java can be traced back to their origins to be known for their differences?
    I know the origins of both languages and am aware of some of the differences. But really that (in my opinion) is not important. I don't believe - at least as a beginner - you should really be "learning" one language. The language itself is unimportant. You need to learn the basic concepts of programming which are then transferrable to which ever language you decide learn/focus on later.

    Java is a good foundation because it's relatively easy to pick up (read more hand holding) and instills a very object-orientated design methology. Personally I think C based languages are the worst to start with. You need to do a lot more work to get good results out of them, which can be deflaiting for a beginner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bondbill2k2 View Post
    An IT support sim might work great, reminds me of papers please and the call center sim... which later cost him his job at a call center
    IT Crowd - the game

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    Quote Originally Posted by LosOjos View Post
    All languages are different, otherwise they wouldn't be different languages. Java is often taught early because it's fairly easy to pick up and 100% OO.

    BTW:
    - Oxford start off teaching Haskell
    - Cambridge start you off on Java
    - Keele don't specify on their website but do say "a contemporary programming language" - so probably not C and actually quite likely Java or something.NET

    I won't go on, but the point is: don't make false claims, they're too easy to disprove!
    Not top university's at all but I know Birmingham, Stafford and Wolverhampton all teach java as a first year module on computer science followed by OO java, then C if you take the game dev route. Even if just for the first few weeks i'd expect programming fundamentals to be taught in a more basic language then C.

    How about phython, I've not used it but I hear its a great starting language plus code academy support it. Check out their projects after doing some lessons
    Last edited by bondbill2k2; 24th June 2013 at 03:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJonas View Post
    IT Crowd - the game

    And for a cameo, when you try to boot the game for the first time. "The application has encountered an error... try turning it off and on again."

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    Python is great fun to learn/program in. Google Labs have some really good tutorials.

    https://developers.google.com/edu/python/
    Last edited by Geoff; 24th June 2013 at 03:18 PM.

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