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    How many here have logs and records of what the kids and teachers are doing on the network at any point of time? Just saying...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAM View Post
    How many here have logs and records of what the kids and teachers are doing on the network at any point of time? Just saying...
    That's slightly different however. To use the network and resources in the school the students and staff (and any guests) have agreed to an acceptable use policy where they're made aware of the fact that all use is monitored and logged. If staff and students don't agree they don't have to utilise our systems. PRISM was kept secret (although I do agree that it's pretty obvious after things like Echelon that the security services would have a follow on program) and there is no way to opt-out.

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    This document is interesting and highlights that PRISM isn't secret, it is "publicly" known about since 2008.

    http://www.dni.gov/files/documents/F...tion%20702.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulfish View Post
    That's slightly different however. To use the network and resources in the school the students and staff (and any guests) have agreed to an acceptable use policy where they're made aware of the fact that all use is monitored and logged. If staff and students don't agree they don't have to utilise our systems. PRISM was kept secret (although I do agree that it's pretty obvious after things like Echelon that the security services would have a follow on program) and there is no way to opt-out.
    But most companies that you deal with have sections in agreements and privacy policies that they will pass information on to law enforcement if compelled to. Technically we agree to that (even though in reality no-one reads the small print).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephelyon View Post
    that they can live without fear from one direction...
    Blimey - I know they're bad - but to have an entire nation fear you is - well - quite remarkable really!

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    Last year in New Scientist I read that cyber criminals had started to create their own internet. We will all be watched while the real criminals simple get around the security.

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    I can't be the only one who got chills at the headline
    William Hague: Law-abiding Britons have nothing to fear from GCHQ
    As a far smarter man than I said, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatt View Post
    Blimey - I know they're bad - but to have an entire nation fear you is - well - quite remarkable really!
    Haha... no capitals though! As it happens we're only a few miles from the school where one of them went.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Your statement is one of "you've got nothing to fear if you've got nothing to hide". I shouldn't have to fear the government. They should fear us, the population - as we're the ones who put them there.
    WAR IS PEACE
    FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
    IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

    George Orwell - 1984

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    Quote Originally Posted by edutech4schools View Post
    Last year in New Scientist I read that cyber criminals had started to create their own internet. We will all be watched while the real criminals simple get around the security.
    Yeah, google Darknet and have a look at the Tor/Onion network there's loads of dodgy stuff going on around there (according to the papers - H*tmen/dr*gs etc etc.) and all payed for in Bitcoins.

    See - http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=dar...PMOW0AWSvoCQAw
    Last edited by Pyroman; 10th June 2013 at 01:25 PM.

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    heard today from an interesting source that the reason the USA and AUS banned Huwai equipment wasn't because they contain Chinese back doors, but because they DONT contain backdoors.

    And the reason the UK doesnt ban huwai equipment is that it taps the network at the entrance and exit nodes to the country.

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    And the reason the UK doesnt ban huwai equipment is that it taps the network at the entrance and exit nodes to the country.
    Does that mean that as long as your info is routing within the UK and not leaving our boarders it is not checked.

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    good question.

    Theyve probably got a tap in all the 21CN cabinets on every street corner.

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