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    as per his response above, he cares about misconceptions being repeated, not the existence (or not) of a deity

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    Did anyone mention Nazis yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ht6 View Post
    Localz argument is it doesn't take faith because he doesn't care about it. Yet he does care because he has come on here to throw his 2 pence in the mixer.
    Read my reply. I explain pretty thoroughly why I care about a thread like this.

    Also, I care about the subject of religion as it is so often used to try and dictate how our society behaves. For example, the Church getting all upset about gay marriage. Your religion often ends up interfering with my life (sunday trading laws, places serving fish on a Friday because of Catholicism etc...).

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    Quote Originally Posted by LosOjos View Post
    Did anyone mention Nazis yet?
    Not yet. I think we're close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willott View Post
    "Prove it doesn't exist" is referred to in Science as "prove it's caused by something else rather than what bob over there thinks exists" isn't it?
    This is falsification. A theory is falsified when a single piece of evidence exists that contradicts it. So you disprove Newtons theory of Gravitation by measuring the orbit of Mercury (or any other object) to a particular precision and finding evidence that mercury don't quite move around the sun as it should, according to that theory. Any scientific theory is open to falsification and experiments are generally designed to try and falsify, not confirm a theory. In fact you can never PROVE a theory is entirely correct.

    With 'god' (which one btw?) there is no possibility of falsifying the theory. How do you prove god doesn't exist? When a 'theory' has no possibility of being falsified, it is not even in the same league as a scientific theory.
    Last edited by pcstru; 22nd May 2013 at 03:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ht6 View Post
    Localz argument is it doesn't take faith because he doesn't care about it. Yet he does care because he has come on here to throw his 2 pence in the mixer.
    Quote Originally Posted by ht6 View Post
    So yes, it does take faith to be an atheist. Since you can't prove there is no God, it takes a leap of faith to believe that there is no God. Like it takes a leap of faith for me to believe there is a God.
    Your counter-argument is to either attacking our character (in the case of Localz) or by trying to reduce my argument ("Hey, you guys have faith too!") - I sense there is no use replying to you anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by E_G_R2 View Post
    Garacesh! So what is the 'smoking gun' that would say to you God Exists?
    Dunno. But that's not on me to declare. You go ahead and submit your evidence that to you proves the existence of a God, and I will evaluate that evidence and tell you if it meets my criteria. If it does not, I will inform you why in a logical manner. For example, I decline your current submission of evidence (the Bible) because the God it describes cannot exist. I give you the Omnipotence Paradox: Can God make a boulder so heavy that he himself cannot lift it?

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    " tell you if it meets my criteria "

    Thats a start then so I don't just get some old bloke dressed in white with a beard and say here he is.

    List please

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Also, I care about the subject of religion as it is so often used to try and dictate how our society behaves. For example, the Church getting all upset about gay marriage. Your religion often ends up interfering with my life (sunday trading laws, places serving fish on a Friday because of Catholicism etc...).
    Where did the definition of Marriage come from in the first place? Sunday trading laws, although partly about the Christian's traditional church attendance day is also to do with the idea of a traditional working week, and keeping time available for people to relax and not have to work - would you like schools to be in on Saturday and Sunday as well, just rotating staff? Fish Friday - yep, that's Catholic, but most places serve other stuff as well... and I'l sure if I checked with my father-in-law (Professor of Metabolic Physiology) he'd suggest that having fish as part of your diet is a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willott View Post
    Where did the definition of Marriage come from in the first place?
    No idea. Marriage pre-dates recorded history. It certainly isn't a Christian thing, that's for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garacesh View Post
    I give you the Omnipotence Paradox: Can God make a boulder so heavy that he himself cannot lift it?
    Google has plenty of arguments and counter arguments over that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garacesh View Post
    @X-13 is arguing one cannot have free will if God has planned our actions (although the earlier analogy of having a basic plan could be applied, the question still stands, is it truly 'free will' if there's a fixed goal, however general?
    Sort of... The way I've always understood the concept of "God's plan" is that any choice you make, you don't actually make.

    God made that choice.

    So, if I came down to where you are and slapped you in the face, I didn't do that. God made me do it because it's part of His plan.

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    Want to know what meets my criteria for proving god exists?


    Have him/her cure my menieres disease and restore my hearing on the spot, if that is not applicable, have him/her turn mercury into gold by removing a single proton per atom, instantly in front of my eyes. If that happens, I will believe to the day I die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willott View Post
    he'd suggest that having fish as part of your diet is a good thing.
    Irrelevant.

    The subject is "you can't serve anything other than fish on Friday, because God" not "should you eat fish at some point".


    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    have him/her turn mercury into gold by removing a single proton per atom, instantly in front of my eyes. If that happens, I will believe to the day I die.
    Get me a particle accelerator and I'll be you God.

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    do it without, just by sheer willpower...for an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent god it should be an easy task

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    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    do it without, just by sheer willpower...for an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent god it should be an easy task
    I'M TRYING!

    I did it. No, no... You don't need to see it. Just have faith.

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