IT Job + HND OR Degree

rambo_tw · 24-09-2007, 09:14 PM

Hey,

Brilliant forum here, i've enjoyed reading the opinions of others about topics relevant to myself.

Here's my situation. I'm currently studying my A-levels ( I had an ABC in I.T , Business + Electronics at AS-level ) and planning on what to do next year. I've had alot of spare time in sixth form so I have been working as a website administrator & general IT guy for quite a large company ( £50m turnover + growing quickly ). I've also had some work experience with a web design agency.

A few weeks ago, the directors of the company were talking to me about what i was going to do after this year. They feel the company is lagging behind in the IT department - they have no real IT staff. The guy who deals with the IT also does the finances etc. They said there is an opportunity for me to take control of the IT for the company. Great? Job on a plate!! But, I'm worried about not having a degree and what would happen if the company sold out or something. I have researched into my local collage to see if they have any HE courses.

I found a HND in I.T on a day release course for 3 years, i really like this option because I will be getting Education, Experience & Money all at once. There is also a CCNA course available which I would like to take.

If I decided to take the university route, I'd lose my current IT job. I've contacted the university also to request a detailed description of the modules in the course and I found that the HND modules appealed to me more than the university ones did. Heres a few details on the HND:

Quote:

HND Information Technology

90 credits from:

* Multimedia Systems Development 2 (15 credits)
* Audio Visual Computing 2 (15 credits)
* Application Development 2 (15 credits)
* Information and Knowledge Based Systems 2 (15 credits)
* Web Application Development 2 (15 credits)
* Project 2 (30 credits)
* Programming 2 (15 credits)
* Computer Systems 2 (15 credits)
* Computer Networks 2 (15 credits)
* Database Systems 2 (15 credits)
* Systems Analysis 2 (15 credits)

HNC Information Technology
Level 1

* Computer Systems 1 (20 credits)
* Programming 1 (20 credits)
* Information Systems and Databases 1 (20 credits)
* Computer Networks 1 (20 credits)
* Multimedia (20 credits)
* Professional Skills (20 credits)

Level 2

* Database Systems 2 (15 credits)
* Systems Analysis 2 (15 credits)
* Application Development 2 (15 credits)
* Information and Knowledge Based Systems 2 (15 credits)
* Web Application Development 2 (15 credits)
* Project 2 (30 credits)

Options

* Programming 2 (15 credits)
* Computer Systems 2 (15 credits)
* Computer Networks 2 (15 credits)
* Multimedia Systems Development 2 (15 credits)
* Audio Visual Computing 2 (15 credits)

Modern businesses require trained systems analysts and network managers so after one year's work experience the world's your oyster. This course provides a springboard to get you that all important starting job.

Sounds good to me. I dont want to stop learning after finishing my A-levels. I want to carry on with education even if i work.

I would also like to eventually work on getting certificates and learning other skills. At the moment, I read up alot on web development using PHP SQL etc. Hopefully, I'd like to be a freelancer in my spare time someday.

What would you guys do? Job + HND or degree?

Friez · 25-09-2007, 07:21 AM

If you plan to just IT Tech and the job is offered on a plate, I'd go for that. You can take a degree at any time of your life. To be fair, degree level qualifications aren't essential for an IT Tech job.

That said.... I have a degree in computing and have coded commercial video games yet I ended up working as an IT Tech in a school. How'dd that happen?

ChrisH · 25-09-2007, 07:21 AM

Me personally I would do the job and the HND. You will be getting the extremely valuable experience and a decent level qualification. You can work your way from there easily.
By time your friends get out of uni you will have 3-4 years experience which will put you at a major advantage and you will also have your qualification.

pallen · 25-09-2007, 08:12 AM

Take the Job. I had great difficulty getting any decent IT job when I finished Uni simply because I couldn't back up the theory with any experience. If you can get the company to pay to continue your education in IT then even better. After a few years you will have both experience and qualifications and you will be in a stronger position than those coming straight from education.

The alternative is go to uni and have fun but come out with no money. Great times though

ittech · 25-09-2007, 08:39 AM

I got a similar job after I left uni and would recommend it to anyone.

In a growing business where you are the only IT member it is a great position to be in.

broc · 26-09-2007, 07:35 AM

If the job looks sound, take it. Your first job in IT is always the hardest to find. As others have said, you can always do a degree later, even part-time. Try to get your employer to agree to (and fund) further qualifications on a part time/self-study basis.

Assuming you see a long term future for yourself in IT, I would be tempted to look at 'vocational' qualifications (MCSA, MCSE) that will underpin your practical experience while doing the job as a means of building your CV.

Lee_K_81 · 26-09-2007, 08:23 AM

Usually i'd say go to uni get the degree especially if you want to progress further than tech.

In this case however i'd say get the job and do the HNC especially if the company will support you. I think all colleges that offer HE course have to be accredited by a University and most then offer progression to the final / second year of the degree. This seems the best option. In the 3-4 years you take to do the HND you might be happy to take a year out to do the final year of the degree, the uni may offer evening classes for it, etc.

Halfmad · 26-09-2007, 08:27 AM

I don't have a degree - I haven't missed out on any jobs I've applied for, I'd really like one though as everyone else seems to have one!

HND is fine and frankly experience seems to count more these days than a degree once you've got 2/3 years under your belt. Professional qualifications such as CCNA/MCSA etc all mean more to most employers than any degree, partly because there's so many degrees and just about anyone can pass at some level these days.

rrichmond · 26-09-2007, 09:38 AM

I've had some experience in the area you are discussing. You see I went to Uni after leaving school, and pursued a Science Degree, as I really was not to sure what I wanted to do.

After completing this, I went to work for a electronics retailer, and it was here where I picked up my interest in IT.

I went looking for a job, without ANY luck! So I decided at the time, the best thing to do was to increase my qualifications so I could get into IT. I did a Masters in IT and then again went looking for work. No luck! The qualification was not specific enough to persuade anyone to hire me.

So I started working for PC retailer and then went and increased my qualifications further. This time I did an A+ in Hardware and Software, my Microsoft Certified Professional course, A Help Desk Analysis Certification and my Novell Netware certifications.

One thing that REALLY helped me getting my job was the last course than ran. It was Job interview skills.

The main point I got from it (which I hadn't been doing) was to ring the prospective employer and find out about the job, and then tell them what you have been doing. I always got a job interview out of this.

After 2 weeks, I had 3 Job offers. I accepted one in a School, and after 9 months I became the IT Manager. I have never looked back. Its a great job, and it get even better throughout the holidays!!

So my advice? If you've been offered a job, take it. Experience counts for a lot more than the qualification. If you can fit it in whilst doing your job, Increase your qualifications by doing a degree, so you can get better pay.
Then do the extra qualifications if you want to branch out.

Good luck!

rambo_tw · 26-09-2007, 08:35 PM

I think I will take the job & I've sorted out with the employer that I'd be able to do the HND on day release also.

Being offered an IT manager's job at 18 is just to good to refuse.

nebapneb · 27-09-2007, 07:44 AM

jammy git, congrats though
you must be made out of strawberries

apoth0r · 27-09-2007, 07:55 AM

Well you certainly have your head on your shoulders. Congratulations on having so many options.

plexer · 27-09-2007, 08:34 AM

Glad to see you made what I'd consider to be the correct choice.

You have the opportunity of the job with a large employer and a great role to fullfill.

The experience will stand you in good stead for the future and who knows you may not even need to move but you can do when it suits you, having that kind of security is good.

Just make sure you get a proper contract and everything and epxectations/job description is also there for you.

Just keep learning as you go.

Ben

rambo_tw · 27-09-2007, 07:35 PM

Thanks for all your advice :P At every forum I frequent, theres alot of people who want to work in IT and have a degree but are unable to find a job. I dont want this to be me in 4 years time so I'm grabbing the opportunity with both hands. Hopefully I'll be a few step closer to my ferrari!

However, as a contingency plan I keep all my options open. What are the requirements for getting a school technician job? Is a degree necessary for that kind of job?

Joedetic · 27-09-2007, 08:15 PM

No degree necessary.

I'm currently studying my second year of Network Engineering...so i'm slightly biased in these situations.

Have you considered a part time degree and the job and negotiating this with your employers?

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25-09-2007, 07:21 AM	#2
Friez Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 778 Thanks: 13 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts Rep Power: 11	Re: IT Job + HND OR Degree If you plan to just IT Tech and the job is offered on a plate, I'd go for that. You can take a degree at any time of your life. To be fair, degree level qualifications aren't essential for an IT Tech job. That said.... I have a degree in computing and have coded commercial video games yet I ended up working as an IT Tech in a school. How'dd that happen?

25-09-2007, 07:21 AM	#3
ChrisH Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: East Lancs Posts: 3,982 Thanks: 3 Thanked 43 Times in 37 Posts Rep Power: 22	Re: IT Job + HND OR Degree Me personally I would do the job and the HND. You will be getting the extremely valuable experience and a decent level qualification. You can work your way from there easily. By time your friends get out of uni you will have 3-4 years experience which will put you at a major advantage and you will also have your qualification.

25-09-2007, 08:12 AM	#4
pallen Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 307 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts Rep Power: 5	Re: IT Job + HND OR Degree Take the Job. I had great difficulty getting any decent IT job when I finished Uni simply because I couldn't back up the theory with any experience. If you can get the company to pay to continue your education in IT then even better. After a few years you will have both experience and qualifications and you will be in a stronger position than those coming straight from education. The alternative is go to uni and have fun but come out with no money. Great times though

25-09-2007, 08:39 AM	#5
ittech Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Reading, UK Posts: 629 Thanks: 35 Thanked 17 Times in 16 Posts Rep Power: 7	Re: IT Job + HND OR Degree I got a similar job after I left uni and would recommend it to anyone. In a growing business where you are the only IT member it is a great position to be in.

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26-09-2007, 07:35 AM	#6
broc Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: England Posts: 759 Thanks: 17 Thanked 52 Times in 33 Posts Rep Power: 17	Re: IT Job + HND OR Degree If the job looks sound, take it. Your first job in IT is always the hardest to find. As others have said, you can always do a degree later, even part-time. Try to get your employer to agree to (and fund) further qualifications on a part time/self-study basis. Assuming you see a long term future for yourself in IT, I would be tempted to look at 'vocational' qualifications (MCSA, MCSE) that will underpin your practical experience while doing the job as a means of building your CV.

26-09-2007, 08:23 AM	#7
Lee_K_81 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Birmingham Posts: 666 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Rep Power: 8	Re: IT Job + HND OR Degree Usually i'd say go to uni get the degree especially if you want to progress further than tech. In this case however i'd say get the job and do the HNC especially if the company will support you. I think all colleges that offer HE course have to be accredited by a University and most then offer progression to the final / second year of the degree. This seems the best option. In the 3-4 years you take to do the HND you might be happy to take a year out to do the final year of the degree, the uni may offer evening classes for it, etc.

26-09-2007, 08:27 AM	#8
Halfmad Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 721 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 0	Re: IT Job + HND OR Degree I don't have a degree - I haven't missed out on any jobs I've applied for, I'd really like one though as everyone else seems to have one! HND is fine and frankly experience seems to count more these days than a degree once you've got 2/3 years under your belt. Professional qualifications such as CCNA/MCSA etc all mean more to most employers than any degree, partly because there's so many degrees and just about anyone can pass at some level these days.

26-09-2007, 09:38 AM	#9
rrichmond Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 95 Thanks: 3 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Rep Power: 5	Re: IT Job + HND OR Degree I've had some experience in the area you are discussing. You see I went to Uni after leaving school, and pursued a Science Degree, as I really was not to sure what I wanted to do. After completing this, I went to work for a electronics retailer, and it was here where I picked up my interest in IT. I went looking for a job, without ANY luck! So I decided at the time, the best thing to do was to increase my qualifications so I could get into IT. I did a Masters in IT and then again went looking for work. No luck! The qualification was not specific enough to persuade anyone to hire me. So I started working for PC retailer and then went and increased my qualifications further. This time I did an A+ in Hardware and Software, my Microsoft Certified Professional course, A Help Desk Analysis Certification and my Novell Netware certifications. One thing that REALLY helped me getting my job was the last course than ran. It was Job interview skills. The main point I got from it (which I hadn't been doing) was to ring the prospective employer and find out about the job, and then tell them what you have been doing. I always got a job interview out of this. After 2 weeks, I had 3 Job offers. I accepted one in a School, and after 9 months I became the IT Manager. I have never looked back. Its a great job, and it get even better throughout the holidays!! So my advice? If you've been offered a job, take it. Experience counts for a lot more than the qualification. If you can fit it in whilst doing your job, Increase your qualifications by doing a degree, so you can get better pay. Then do the extra qualifications if you want to branch out. Good luck!

26-09-2007, 08:35 PM	#10
rambo_tw Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 0	Re: IT Job + HND OR Degree I think I will take the job & I've sorted out with the employer that I'd be able to do the HND on day release also. Being offered an IT manager's job at 18 is just to good to refuse.

27-09-2007, 07:44 AM	#11
nebapneb Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: south wales Posts: 61 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 0	Re: IT Job + HND OR Degree jammy git, congrats though you must be made out of strawberries

27-09-2007, 07:55 AM	#12
apoth0r Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Northants Posts: 193 Thanks: 8 Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts Rep Power: 5	Re: IT Job + HND OR Degree Well you certainly have your head on your shoulders. Congratulations on having so many options.

27-09-2007, 08:34 AM	#13
plexer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norfolk Posts: 4,269 Thanks: 30 Thanked 102 Times in 101 Posts Rep Power: 33	Re: IT Job + HND OR Degree Glad to see you made what I'd consider to be the correct choice. You have the opportunity of the job with a large employer and a great role to fullfill. The experience will stand you in good stead for the future and who knows you may not even need to move but you can do when it suits you, having that kind of security is good. Just make sure you get a proper contract and everything and epxectations/job description is also there for you. Just keep learning as you go. Ben

27-09-2007, 07:35 PM	#14
rambo_tw Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 0	Re: IT Job + HND OR Degree Thanks for all your advice :P At every forum I frequent, theres alot of people who want to work in IT and have a degree but are unable to find a job. I dont want this to be me in 4 years time so I'm grabbing the opportunity with both hands. Hopefully I'll be a few step closer to my ferrari! However, as a contingency plan I keep all my options open. What are the requirements for getting a school technician job? Is a degree necessary for that kind of job?

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Joedetic Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Walsall Posts: 1,274 Thanks: 4 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts Rep Power: 10	Re: IT Job + HND OR Degree No degree necessary. I'm currently studying my second year of Network Engineering...so i'm slightly biased in these situations. Have you considered a part time degree and the job and negotiating this with your employers?

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