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General Chat Thread, Some fails this week! in General; Originally Posted by nephilim Humans are a naturally evolved omnivore. We can digest raw meat (raw beef, lamb, pork), however ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    Humans are a naturally evolved omnivore. We can digest raw meat (raw beef, lamb, pork), however when it comes to poultry it is a different ball game. As for vegetables, we get more nutrients from the raw variety of the foods, however we cook food to make it more warming and less strain on the body to process.
    The human body can digest raw pork but it is dangerous due to trichinosis, and this is very prevalent. But you are correct about beef - there are even dishes with raw beef as a component.

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    I stand corrected. But I'm still a veggie

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkeh View Post
    You certainly couldn't say that, carnivores eat exclusively meat. Humans are omnivores

    I think its more that people don't like being made to think about where their food comes. If people were made to go a slaughterhouse there would be more vegetarians. If they went to a dairy farm then there would be more vegans.
    Having worked in an abattoir when I was teen, it was actually eye opening (I was one of the people that cleans away the blood). Nothing squeamish goes on, I have seen the process from start to finish, the animals are treated with respect from what I have seen. The one I worked at dealt solely for the local butchers of the area also, not one of the ones that goes through the supermarket, so animals were not intensively reared. Having visited the farms where the animals grew up and were reared, they had a good life. I know it is only a small percentage of the animals in the UK that are like this, however I only ever buy meat from my butcher, never from supermarket.

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    I've worked at an abattoir, too. It was the only time in my life that I've considered becoming a vegetarian, but not for the reasons that most would assume; I was appalled by the poor standards of hygiene and the fact that they had at least a week's notice before any inspection. As far as I saw, the animals (being killed aside!) weren't treated badly.

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    I have also been to an abattoir - more than once - and what struck me was how scared the animals are and how they knew something was coming. They were pushed around and dragged here and there and it was, in my opinion, very cruel.
    In fact that is the main reason I am a vegetarian.
    I don't object to eating meat as such but I don't like the way we as a species treat animals.
    We eat far too much meat anyway.
    Cows for meat have quite a nice life albeit a bit short, but others do not. We may have outlawed the worst pig-rearing methods but other countries have not, and as for chickens...

    (and yes, sorry, should have said humans are omnivores, not carnivores)

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    Quote Originally Posted by witch View Post
    how scared the animals are and how they knew something was coming.
    Surely, it'd be the same in the wild... From what I've seen on various nature shows [which may or may not represent reality] prey tend to lost it when a predator gets close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X-13 View Post
    Surely, it'd be the same in the wild... From what I've seen on various nature shows [which may or may not represent reality] prey tend to lost it when a predator gets close.
    Hmm let's see, on one hand you have a natural situation where the animal has a chance to escape/fight and on the other large number of animals are herded toward someone with a bolt gun and no chance of survival... no its not the same.
    Last edited by sparkeh; 29th April 2013 at 10:28 AM.

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    i know in an abstract way where food comes from and thats enough (imo) i dont read ingredients etc on packets i have no need or desire to know whats in food

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    Quote Originally Posted by sted View Post
    i know in an abstract way where food comes from and thats enough (imo) i dont read ingredients etc on packets i have no need or desire to know whats in food
    To me, this is an extension of one of the problems we're facing in this and other countries - the abdication of personal responsibility. Handing over such responsibility to others - ie. creating a handholding society of people drip fed only what they need to know.

    Its a result of our education system and the values we're teaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sted View Post
    i know in an abstract way where food comes from and thats enough (imo) i dont read ingredients etc on packets i have no need or desire to know whats in food
    Who fancies a nice bit of Soylent Green?

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    To me, this is an extension of one of the problems we're facing in this and other countries - the abdication of personal responsibility. Handing over such responsibility to others - ie. creating a handholding society of people drip fed only what they need to know.

    Its a result of our education system and the values we're teaching.
    to a degree thats what happens when people specialise. Go back far enough and anyone in the village could do any job in the village (technically there may of been cultural issues etc) but just look at the average workplace or even family there is no way for instance i could do my dads or sisters job at all i might be able to do mums or brother in laws (but thats because the brother in law is also in it and mums is nta) i have neither the knowledge or skills to do bus mechanic or whatever it is my sister does. You cant know everything and when knowledge becomes external (so books) and you distribute your own knowedge round (20 years ago i would of known phone numbers for say 10 people now i know 2 work and parents i dont even know my own landline number ive outsourced that knowledge to my mobile). Unless you live in the "good life" you are never going to know exactly where that carrot or bacon came from so why worry about what you cant change? and if you cant change it is it worth knowing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sted View Post
    to a degree thats what happens when people specialise. Go back far enough and anyone in the village could do any job in the village (technically there may of been cultural issues etc) but just look at the average workplace or even family there is no way for instance i could do my dads or sisters job at all i might be able to do mums or brother in laws (but thats because the brother in law is also in it and mums is nta) i have neither the knowledge or skills to do bus mechanic or whatever it is my sister does. You cant know everything and when knowledge becomes external (so books) and you distribute your own knowedge round (20 years ago i would of known phone numbers for say 10 people now i know 2 work and parents i dont even know my own landline number ive outsourced that knowledge to my mobile). Unless you live in the "good life" you are never going to know exactly where that carrot or bacon came from so why worry about what you cant change? and if you cant change it is it worth knowing?
    You can change what is in your food. You can choose where you get your food from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sted View Post
    Unless you live in the "good life" you are never going to know exactly where that carrot or bacon came from so why worry about what you cant change? and if you cant change it is it worth knowing?
    Not at all. Go to a farm shop and you know exactly where they come from. Look into your local shop's policies and see what ethical stance they take.
    And why do you think we can't change things. If people hadn't made their feelings known in the past we wouldn't have free range eggs and certain standards in animal welfare etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    You can change what is in your food. You can choose where you get your food from.
    up to a point but you still have to trust whats on the label. How do you know the local farm shop is any better than a supermarket? and i hate shopping at the best of times the idea of ging to 1 shop for this and another for that is enough in itself to put me off

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    Quote Originally Posted by sted View Post
    up to a point but you still have to trust whats on the label. How do you know the local farm shop is any better than a supermarket? and i hate shopping at the best of times the idea of ging to 1 shop for this and another for that is enough in itself to put me off
    But you can't really trust the label can you, the horse meat scandal has taught us this. Doesn't this make you *more* likely to worry about where your food is coming from?
    I would suggest that the history of the farm shop food is more traceable than a supermarket.

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