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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatpackhamster View Post
    And yet SATs and the continual testing regime came in under the Labour government...

    Those crafty Tories, secretly exercising power while in opposition. Damn them. It's an OMGWTFLOLCABAL.
    The first SATs were implemented in 1991 [1][2] so that would put it under John Majors watch, of course the "They didn't change it when they got into power, did they?" equally applies to Labour in this case

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hokalus View Post
    The first SATs were implemented in 1991 [1][2] so that would put it under John Majors watch, of course the "They didn't change it when they got into power, did they?" equally applies to Labour in this case
    I didn't know that about the SATs. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edutech4schools View Post
    My wife took a massive pay cut to work as a teacher, She could only do this as I work also otherwise should would not have an option. As for skew children's values, what on Earth do you think schools are for if not preparing children to work and to provide for their families?
    I thought/hoped that they were there to encourage children towards fairness and other such ideals beyond getting as rich as possible as quickly as possible without worrying about anyone else. Even if just as work preparation academies, no-one needs to be on a huge salary to provide; up to certain level it makes it easier without a doubt. Beyond that? Do people need second homes? Luxury cars?

    Quote Originally Posted by edutech4schools View Post
    , said by someone that probably does not have many friends that work in the city. Most of the people I know laugh at the wages our teachers get, these are the people that actually got the highest marks while in education and actually understand maths or computer coding etc all of which is needed in schools is it not.
    There's a reason they're called the 1%, and maybe your friends were the best academically; I'd theorise that many of the most successful in The City are the most ruthless rather than the cleverest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flatpackhamster View Post
    And yet SATs and the continual testing regime came in under the Labour government...

    Those crafty Tories, secretly exercising power while in opposition. Damn them. It's an OMGWTFLOLCABAL.
    I was going to add that "New Labour" under Tory Blair weren't much better! I couldn't believe that a government were supposed to be socialist brought in BSF and the academy programs. I'm unconvinced by the current shower, too, but who else is there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcstru View Post
    I find that view a little depressing.
    why?

    ok lets solve the worlds money problems by giving everyone a million pounds. So if everyone is a millionare (lets ignore where the money comes from for simplicity) do you honestly think that prices of things will stay the same. Same with degrees if more people have them the wage difference between having one and not pay wise would shrink as in theory its a (for want of a better term) a premium item. The more people who have them the less premium it becomes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sted View Post
    why?

    ok lets solve the worlds money problems by giving everyone a million pounds. So if everyone is a millionare (lets ignore where the money comes from for simplicity) do you honestly think that prices of things will stay the same. Same with degrees if more people have them the wage difference between having one and not pay wise would shrink as in theory its a (for want of a better term) a premium item. The more people who have them the less premium it becomes.
    What does it have to do with money? If everyone read book X (please choose for X the book you feel is the greatest piece of literature ever written) does that devalue book X, does it devalue the process of reading book X, will the value to the reader be any different because 200,000,000 people read it before them?

    With some things, the value is entirely within the thing or the experience of the thing.

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    Same with degrees if more people have them the wage difference between having one and not pay wise would shrink as in theory its a (for want of a better term) a premium item. The more people who have them the less premium it becomes.
    If lots more people choose to become teachers then schools could pick the best from a large pool, so yes wages might go down but teaching quality would go up but then if wages went down less people would choose to teach......

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    Quote Originally Posted by edutech4schools View Post
    If lots more people choose to become teachers then schools could pick the best from a large pool, so yes wages might go down but teaching quality would go up but then if wages went down less people would choose to teach......
    Wages wouldn't go down. Teachers' salaries are fixed by central government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatpackhamster View Post
    Wages wouldn't go down. Teachers' salaries are fixed by central government.
    There is currently a move to enable schools to set their own pay, and private schools and academies already can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatpackhamster View Post
    Wages wouldn't go down. Teachers' salaries are fixed by central government.
    No they're not. Not any more. Head teachers now have the ability to set wages according to what they want to pay. It was first implemented with academies, and has since either been rolled out to other schools or is going to be soon.

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    We tried too with the SSSNB, which I think if it had continued would eventually have produced far more flexible pay brackets (and job specs that don't date from 2005 and still mention Windows 2000) much in the manner of the new STPCD framework. *Sigh*...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatpackhamster View Post
    Wages wouldn't go down. Teachers' salaries are fixed by union pressure.
    Fixed that for you. Doesn't apply to private schools, though. No idea how Academies deal with salaries.

    The whole 'prepares them for working life' argument is flawed, as 'work' is now so varied that there isn't a catch-all. There are also countless studies that show productivity taking a nosedive the longer you spend on task. 9-5 is fine if you're on an assembly line, but for creative and intellectually challenging/stimulating work (which, let's face it, is what you want from education), I'd rather have a good couple of hours of output than a whole day spent wringing a meagre amount from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witch View Post
    There is currently a move to enable schools to set their own pay, and private schools and academies already can.
    I can't imagine a private school paying less than the public sector rate. The few private school teachers I know certainly didn't earn under the public sector rate.

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    Some private schools already have their own payscales for teachers. Many, like the one I work for, do not and teachers are on national payscales.

    Support staff at my school are not on national scales, not are we particularly well remunerated. Such is the evil of trying to run a school that is wholly reliant on fee income, it means that in the independent sector pay rises are harder to come by and annual increments unheard of independents.

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