General Chat Thread, Lengthen school day says Gove! in General; Originally Posted by AMLightfoot
That's exactly my point - don't hammer the kids over the head with more maths and ...
22nd April 2013, 11:44 AM #61
exactly ive never got the everyone needs a degree mentality surely a degree is only worth having if not many other people do?
Originally Posted by AMLightfoot
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22nd April 2013, 11:55 AM #62
I find that view a little depressing. Is education meant to be simply a factory churning out workplace robots? Sure we need vocational skills for people to do jobs but is that what schools or universities should be doing? I like to think that a degree is worth having because it stimulated the student and they gained both knowledge and the discipline necessary to acquire and assimilate new knowledge. I'd like to think primary and secondary education had more to offer other than giving the country a bunch of plumbers, electricians or other robots that can be assimilated by employers. It's not that we should be turning out people who are incapable of work or who do not have skills essential to the workplace, just that the focus should not be on that as an end goal. Perhaps it's best summed up as the difference between teaching people *how* to think, not *what* to think.
Originally Posted by sted
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22nd April 2013, 12:00 PM #63
[QUOTE=pcstru;957969]plumbers, electricians or other robots [\QUOTE]
I assume that's not meant to mean "all plumbers and electricians are 'robots'"?
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22nd April 2013, 12:04 PM #64
It is poorly phrased :-(. My recent experience of both suggests robots generally have better timekeeping!
Originally Posted by pcstru
22nd April 2013, 12:08 PM #65
Welcome to Britain under the Tories.
Originally Posted by pcstru
22nd April 2013, 12:09 PM #66
I am in two minds about this. I agree it has benefits if implemented properly but I very much doubt it would be. We simply can't afford the huge costings it would require for extra staff hours and all that would go into keeping the school running longer. From the standpoint of schools like mine, if we had such a budget I think it would be much better spent on more staff to allow more time for each child. We have a high percentage of children with home difficulties and while I wish I could keep them at school safe and well all the time many of them simply wouldn't cope with days that long and it would most likely affect their attitude towards school, having big implications. I am in a primary school so it would be quite different from a high school. Children should be allowed to be children. They should go climb trees and eat worms. It really varies depending on the type of school, area and lots of other factors but I imagine they have done little to consider more than a blanket approach. What works for some schools in some countries will in turn only work for some in this country.
22nd April 2013, 12:14 PM #67
Do you think longer days and less hols would be good for primary schools?
My 5 year old is more than ready for a break by the time they come round.
One thing and one thing only would get better results, Pay the teachers a decent wage, that way you would get intelligent people teaching our children and not have them going off to some bank in the city. The amount of people I know that opted not to do teaching at university because of the pay and went in to law or similar is a real shame as they would have made fantastic teachers.
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22nd April 2013, 12:26 PM #68
I don't think teachers are badly paid, and would suggest that if money is the prime motivator for encouraging people to teach then we will further skew children's values.
Originally Posted by edutech4schools
22nd April 2013, 12:34 PM #69
My wife took a massive pay cut to work as a teacher, She could only do this as I work also otherwise should would not have an option. As for skew children's values, what on Earth do you think schools are for if not preparing children to work and to provide for their families? I don't think teachers are badly paid, and would suggest that if money is the prime motivator for encouraging people to teach then we will further skew children's values.
, said by someone that probably does not have many friends that work in the city. Most of the people I know laugh at the wages our teachers get, these are the people that actually got the highest marks while in education and actually understand maths or computer coding etc all of which is needed in schools is it not. I don't think teachers are badly paid
22nd April 2013, 12:47 PM #70
Plenty. And I also work in a primary school.
Originally Posted by sparkeh
Feel free to generalise about my generalisations, and keep reading that Guardian and Independent, I know they're the Fountain Of Truth.
22nd April 2013, 12:48 PM #71
To provide a wide ranging education so as to produce well rounded and intelligent children. Schools are not job training factories.
Originally Posted by edutech4schools
Don't be obtuse. Teaching, as a profession, is not badly paid. Sure, if you compare it to investment banking, or software engineering it isn't the best, but it isn't badly paid. A teacher can hit >£40k income - that's not bad pay in any possible way.
, said by someone that probably does not have many friends that work in the city. Most of the people I know laugh at the wages our teachers get, these are the people that actually got the highest marks while in education and actually understand maths or computer coding etc all of which is needed in schools is it not.
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22nd April 2013, 12:53 PM #72
And yet SATs and the continual testing regime came in under the Labour government...
Originally Posted by LeMarchand
Those crafty Tories, secretly exercising power while in opposition. Damn them. It's an OMGWTFLOLCABAL.
22nd April 2013, 12:56 PM #73
Originally Posted by Flatpackhamster
But to quote many a post from apologists for both sides of the political divide...
"They didn't change it when they got into power, did they?"
22nd April 2013, 12:58 PM #74
Give Gove a chance, he's only got one pair of hands.
Originally Posted by witch
22nd April 2013, 01:03 PM #75
Originally Posted by localzuk
A £40,000 a year salary puts you in the top 20% of earnings by income in the UK.
Of course that doesn't take in to account the final salary pension, which if it were in the private sector would put teachers well in to the top 10%.
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