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    Building works making me chuckle..

    We have a couple of portable buildings on site that were installed 18months / 2 years ago, and they're having the roof replaced on them at the moment.

    The amusing thing that they're using power saws for some of the job (I mean that makes sense) but it's just turned lunch time, so the pupils are out playing, and they keep sawing and the screams of them playing coincide with the sawing noises, so it actually sounds like they're busy sawing through some of the pupils ..

    Just made me chuckle, so thought I'd share! lol ..

    Andy T

    P.S. At least I think they're not sawing up the kids, I mean teachers are out there with them .. I hope .. lol ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by soveryapt View Post
    I mean teachers are out there with them .. I hope .. lol ..
    The teachers were the first to go. The kids ganged up on them and sawed them in half, before turning on each other.
    The workmen, unfortunately, fled the scene in a bout of cowardice, rather than hero-up and face an army of power-saw weilding kids. ...can't say I blame them.

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    What makes me laugh about building works is that every time something is built/moved/upgraded in the school they seem to forget about the IT requirements and then when we get involved (often quite late in the planning process) they seem shocked by the list of IT requirements which arise and subsequently cost money!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garacesh View Post
    The teachers were the first to go. The kids ganged up on them and sawed them in half, before turning on each other.
    The workmen, unfortunately, fled the scene in a bout of cowardice, rather than hero-up and face an army of power-saw weilding kids. ...can't say I blame them.
    I did wonder where they'd all gone .. they just told me there was an end of term assembly, but it's awful quiet around here now! lol ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by adhutton View Post
    What makes me laugh about building works is that every time something is built/moved/upgraded in the school they seem to forget about the IT requirements and then when we get involved (often quite late in the planning process) they seem shocked by the list of IT requirements which arise and subsequently cost money!

    Andrew
    Yup! And you explain that if they had talked to you earlier, you probably could have done it differently, with it being better looking and costing less...

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    Quote Originally Posted by adhutton View Post
    What makes me laugh about building works is that every time something is built/moved/upgraded in the school they seem to forget about the IT requirements and then when we get involved (often quite late in the planning process) they seem shocked by the list of IT requirements which arise and subsequently cost money!

    Andrew
    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Yup! And you explain that if they had talked to you earlier, you probably could have done it differently, with it being better looking and costing less...
    Indeed! Isn't is always the case .. I'm struggling now trying to get a RADIUS server to function that they set up for me (thanks guys) on the oldest server in the bunch, which is now being retired and just not playing ball at all .. I mean, I would have gone for a different Wireless setup anyway other than the Netgear they have, but there we go, like you say, they like to over spec things .. and then get specifics wrong even when you do get chance to spec them! lol ..

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    Reminds of a conversation yesterday with one of our senior teaches who was talking to some people about the new UTC which isn't on our site anyway.

    Him: what cabling do we use in school?
    Me: Cat5e, why?
    Him: These are the guys who are specifying the trunking for the university technical college and they were saying they would put cat6 in it.
    Me: hmmm wouldn't the IT people in charge normally specify the infrastructure and then they could specify containment to suit?

    Lol

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    I'm having a fight getting data points in our new rooms - just an internal reconfig of existing space to put in enough loos to meet building regs recommendations, not a fancy rebuild. Anyhooo... I was asked how many data points phone points and power points I wanted in the new rooms and where they should go. The contractor just can't understand what I'm on about when I say "thank you for the power points, they're great and have working electricity and everything. About those data points, they're just blanking plates on the wall with empty boxes behind. In what sense is that a data point?" I don't want them to connect them to my switch, but RJ45 sockets with structured cabling back to the patch panel would be good. And I know that the average bricky wouldn't know how to do that, but you employed a sparky to do the electrics and a plumber to do the plumbing. Now go and find a professional to install a few metres of structured cabling and some wall sockets. The patch panel is in the room next door and there were data points in the old rooms, so presumably there's still cable in the ceiling void somewhere. /rant

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    You're letting a spark run structured cabling?

    Ben

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    Quote Originally Posted by plexer View Post
    You're letting a spark run structured cabling?

    Ben
    No no no

    My point was they can get a spark to do the electrics, so they can get a suitably qualified person to run cables. They've tried to tell me it's not their job. They offered me data points and electric points. I can plug a toaster into the electric and it works. I can't plug anything into the data points as it's just a blanking plate with nowt behind it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by plexer View Post
    You're letting a spark run structured cabling?

    Ben
    What's wrong with sparks running structured cabling - it's not rocket science and provided proper containment is in place there shouldn't be any issues. I'm a sparks by trade and have run plenty of cabling, although not any more as I'm too busy. Most proper sparks do a 3 year apprenticeship and running cables properly is part of that. A lot of the specialist data cabling companies use ex sparkies too!

    The only thing that I would want them to do is actually make off the cable ends

    *edit - sparkies not sparkles!
    Last edited by truebluesteve; 29th March 2013 at 09:25 AM.

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    @truebluesteve ok from your training no google whats the maximum bend radius and pulling tension for cat5e? Cat6?

    Ben

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    Well I don't know about a maximum but I was told the minimum bend radius is 4 x the diameter of the cable, so that would be around an inch. I just sent a text to a sparks mate of mine and asked him the same question and I got the same answer!

    As for pulling strain -it depends on the manufacturer as I've seen some say 25lbs and others 15lbs but I usually check the leaflets that come with the boxes.

    My point was that you shouldn't assume that a sparks wouldn't know this stuff. The installation requirements for cat5 are far less stringent than SWA, MICC (pyro), Firetuff and Fibre cable.

    I should say I learnt my Cat5 stuff only a few years ago as I did my apprentice back in erm...1982 and there wasn't much in the way of it then :-)

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    Saying sparkies shouldn't install structured cabling comes from the fact that the majority are not trained for it. I've seen such installations and it was installed in the same containment as power leads, the ends were stripped far too far and the cable untwisted too much before being terminated etc... So, it is just a case of 'don't let untrained people install structured cabling', which happens to equate to electricians in the majority of cases.

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    Fair do's I've seen seen some sparks that don't know that and just yank cabling through but also if I've got to have data guys terminate they should be do the installation too.

    Ben

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