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    No Sympathy.

    I'm sorry but people have tried to help you but you just haven't helped yourself.

    EXCLUSIVE: 46st teen Georgia Davis back in hospital | The Sun |News

    “Last week was a bad week and I ate too many biscuits.
    “I lose myself in food. I can’t open a packet of biscuits and eat one — I have to eat them all.”

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    It is very easy to agree with you, but there can be (not saying there is) reasons for this type of thing.
    Let me explain.
    I had high blood pressure (uncontrolled) for 15 years. No amount of meds would bring it under control.
    I was permanently starving. Felt all the time as though I had never eaten for days 24/7.
    My weight went up and up (got to 20stone). It was a constant battle.
    Turns out that I had an adenoma on my adrenal gland. This stopped the message to my brain to say I was full when eating. So My brain always thought I was hungry.
    Last May I had my gland (and lump, only 11mm in size) removed.
    The damage to my heart etc from 15 years of too much adrenaline, aldestertone, and cortisol is still being assessed. My weight has come down. I lost 2 1/2 stone in four weeks.I have been told for now to stop dieting whilst they do all the tests.
    A few weeks after I came out form my op, I actually was eating an meal and felt full. It was so strange a feeling that It felt like I was sick. I left half a plate of food (and that was a small portion).
    The point I am making is that it is easy to just say they are lazy/greedy etc, but some times there is a reason behind it. As in my case.
    Alan
    Last edited by salan; 28th March 2013 at 10:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by salan View Post
    The point I am making is that it is easy to just say they are lazy/greedy etc, but some times there is a reason behind it. As in my case.
    In this case, there is no reason for it. The girl went to a camp in America and lost A LOT of weight because she was eating properly and exercising.

    As soon as she got back it was all put on again because every meal was loads of junk food.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X-13 View Post
    In this case, there is no reason for it. The girl went to a camp in America and lost A LOT of weight because she was eating properly and exercising.

    As soon as she got back it was all put on again because every meal was loads of junk food.
    Agree but someone in that situation will need a lot of 'mentoring' to get her into good habits.
    Why for example do people do drugs even after they know it is killing them?
    There are some people that you just can't help. but I do not considerer myself so 'pure' to decide who to just give up on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by salan View Post
    Why for example do people do drugs even after they know it is killing them?
    Because it's an addiction that causes withdrawal if you stop. AFAIK junk food doesn't do that.

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    It's not really as simple as "JUST STOP EATING", and frankly saying that it is is pretty insulting to people with genuine eating disorders? Telling someone who is overweight something like that is as helpful as telling someone with depression "JUST CHEER UP OKAY". People who are obese don't just "like food a lot", there are a lot of complex psychological (and sometimes medical) reasons for their condition. What, did you think they enjoy being fat?

    In this case, there is no reason for it. The girl went to a camp in America and lost A LOT of weight because she was eating properly and exercising.

    As soon as she got back it was all put on again because every meal was loads of junk food.
    THEY'VE HAD OVER A YEAR TO CHEER UP AND THEY JUST WON'T DO IT. THEY EVEN WENT ON HOLIDAY LAST YEAR AND THEY WERE MUCH HAPPIER, BUT AS SOON AS THEY GOT HOME IT WAS ALL SADNESS SADNESS SADNESS ALL OVER AGAIN. I'M HAPPY, SO WHY AREN'T THEY?

    I am exaggerating here obviously, but you get the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X-13 View Post
    Because it's an addiction that causes withdrawal if you stop. AFAIK junk food doesn't do that.
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    Wow, a lot of people riding some very high horses around here.
    Easy to judge someone without having to live their life or deal with their problems.
    I'd like to believe that we live in a world where people who need help are looked after and given the help they need. Clearly not everyone shared my hope.

    At the other end of the spectrum, I once supported someone through an eating disorder, just telling her to eat was not the solution. It took a long time and a lot of support to confront the issues that caused her to stop eating. Its not something that every really leaves you and she has to deal with it every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X-13 View Post
    Because it's an addiction that causes withdrawal if you stop. AFAIK junk food doesn't do that.
    Addiction =/= dependency. You can be addicted to plenty of things without actually being physically dependent on them (see: videogames, jogging, television, spending money). Even with physical dependency, any kind of addiction is 99% in your mind. Take smoking as an example: 3 days after stopping smoking, you no longer have any nicotine in your body. This means that physical dependency also stops, and yet people who have "quit" smoking often pick it back up after a short time because they claim they are craving it too much. Why do they do this when they actually shouldn't be suffering withdrawal symptoms any more? Answer: Because they are addicted to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sdrawkcab View Post
    Take smoking as an example: 3 days after stopping smoking, you no longer have any nicotine in your body.
    Duration of nicotine withdrawal symptoms [Source]

    Craving for tobacco 3 to 8 weeks[122]
    Dizziness Few days[122]
    Insomnia 1 to 2 weeks[122]
    Headaches 1 to 2 weeks[122]
    Chest discomfort 1 to 2 weeks[122]
    Constipation 1 to 2 weeks[122]
    Irritability 2 to 4 weeks[122]
    Fatigue 2 to 4 weeks[122]
    Cough or nasal drip Few weeks[122]
    Lack of concentration Few weeks[122]
    Hunger Up to several weeks[122]

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    Someone must have noticed that she is too fat to get the food herself. Someone is feeding her. Why don't they ignore her requests for more food and supply a healthy diet. They're as culpable as she is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X-13 View Post
    Duration of nicotine withdrawal symptoms [Source]

    Craving for tobacco 3 to 8 weeks[122]
    Dizziness Few days[122]
    Insomnia 1 to 2 weeks[122]
    Headaches 1 to 2 weeks[122]
    Chest discomfort 1 to 2 weeks[122]
    Constipation 1 to 2 weeks[122]
    Irritability 2 to 4 weeks[122]
    Fatigue 2 to 4 weeks[122]
    Cough or nasal drip Few weeks[122]
    Lack of concentration Few weeks[122]
    Hunger Up to several weeks[122]
    Yep well done. You win. You found the one thing I was wrong about in my post and then ignored all the other points I made. Congratulations.

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    @X-13 I can see where you are coming from regarding addiction specifically in cigarettes. Eating DISORDERS are a very different thing altogether. There are generally psychological reasons why a person overeats to the extent this young girl has. It takes more than just saying DON'T EAT SO MUCH. She needs proper clinical and psychologicak help in order to learn how to control her eating habits and deal with the reasons behind it.
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    Eating disorder yes, but if someone is 43st then something is wrong. She just isn't helping herself. Her parents are partially to blame as well. She should never have been allowed to get to that weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sdrawkcab View Post
    You found the one thing I was wrong about in my post and then ignored all the other points I made.
    Indeed, because that's all I was doing, making a correction.

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