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    Question is, would Microsoft go to the effort of creating an updated ISO for Win 7 to support Secure Boot? It's going to become more and more of a problem as clearly Win 8 isn't making the impact Microsoft had hoped.

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    Real question is: Why are MS in charge of the keys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    UEFI faster?? ever tried to boot an HS22 in a hurry?
    What is an HS22, we buy EliteBooks that have worked really well with UEFI for a long time because the vendor could program their way out of a paperbag unlike certain others... Google Nexus7, Samsung, HTC etc.

    Wait, looked it up, it's a server blade which you of course need to boot in seconds several times a day :P . Even with a BIOS server gear takes longer thanks to all the extra tech and more robust checks that it does. Your making unfair comparisons again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael View Post
    Question is, would Microsoft go to the effort of creating an updated ISO for Win 7 to support Secure Boot? It's going to become more and more of a problem as clearly Win 8 isn't making the impact Microsoft had hoped.
    I fail to see why it would be a problem? All you do is turn off secure boot in the UEFI setup....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYNACK View Post
    Your making unfair comparisons again.
    The older HS21's with similar modules do a better job with BIOS. I don't think its faster at all, and if it is its a result of the hardware being faster and not that UEFI is intrinsically faster than BIOS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    The older HS21's with similar modules do a better job with BIOS. I don't think its faster at all, and if it is its a result of the hardware being faster and not that UEFI is intrinsically faster than BIOS.
    Yes, the hardware is faster and the EFI boot lets you take advantage of that, the BIOS is what added that extra time. Oh and again, you can't blame the technology if the vendor can't implement it properly, besides, AGAIN, as a server it has a different set of requirements from EFI. Speed may not be their primary concern, perhaps they are running a bunch more checks at startup so that your server is more likely to run happily without issue for x months or years between full power downs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesfed View Post
    I fail to see why it would be a problem? All you do is turn off secure boot in the UEFI setup....
    Fine if all manus stick to the spec... But....

    We have an Acer w510 that you can turn off secure boot but not put it into legacy mode! Needless to say this upset me that we couldn't crack the admin password by booting Linux :'(

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    It's on loan BTW but this and not being able to easily deploy an image to it make it a non starter for us

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    Quote Originally Posted by markwilfan View Post
    It's on loan BTW but this and not being able to easily deploy an image to it make it a non starter for us
    USB Network adapter with the driver for it in your boot image does the trick in most cases with ultrabooks/tablets without a LAN port.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesfed View Post
    USB Network adapter with the driver for it in your boot image does the trick in most cases with ultrabooks/tablets without a LAN port.
    I think the optional keyboard (you only need one) has lan built in which probably supports pxe. wds, mdt and remastered windows disks should all be able to boot fine, I think 7 supported efi but as a tablet 8 is better by a big margin.

    Oh and try dart from MS for password reset, I think the new one is based on 8 so efi compliant.
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    We have the keyboard but no Ethernet onboard. We also do not have a USB to Ethernet to try things used to be so much easier until they got "secure" (said in a Dr evil stylie)

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    Quote Originally Posted by markwilfan View Post
    We have the keyboard but no Ethernet onboard. We also do not have a USB to Ethernet to try things used to be so much easier until they got "secure" (said in a Dr evil stylie)
    Thank Apple, they proved people would buy stuff with insufficient connectivity. Just looked at the hp x2, also no Ethernet , no sale, for me personally anyway.
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    the problem is pcs arnt business tools any more they are consumer devices like mobiles and most consumers will never use owt but wifi so why include it?
    esp with tablets they really are not enterprise devices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sted View Post
    the problem is pcs arnt business tools any more they are consumer devices like mobiles and most consumers will never use owt but wifi so why include it?
    esp with tablets they really are not enterprise devices.
    Most PCs.

    You are right about the tablets at the moment, something silly, the HP ElitePad which is their businessy one has not only no ethernet port but no keyboard, no HDMI and not even a USB port. Pointless bit of rubbish.

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