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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofsanta View Post
    Post your speculative spec on here when you have it settled, then, I want to live vicariously through your new build
    Starting build as it stands at the moment:

    Case: CoolerMaster Elite 310 Mid-Tower Gaming Case (Blue Colour)
    CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.50 GHz Eight-Core AM3+ CPU 8MB L2 Cache & Turbo Core Technology
    Cooling Fan: CoolerMaster Hyper TX3 with 3 x Direct Contact heat-pipes CPU Cooling Fan
    Motherboard: ASUS M5A78L-M/USB3 AMD 760G (780L) Chipset, Micro-ATX mainboard w/ 2 RAM slots, 7.1 Audio, GbLAN, USB3.0, SATA-II, 1 PCIe X16, 1 PCIe X1, & 2 PCI
    Memory: 8GB (2x4GB) PC12800 DDR3/1600mhz Dual Channel Memory (Kingston HyperX Blu w/Heat Spreader)
    Hard Drive: 120GB Kingston HyperX 3K SATA III Gaming MLC Solid State Disk
    Optical Drive: 24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW DRIVE.

    Thinking of taking my existing 1000w PSU from my current rig. Also undecided on GPU but it will be a Nvidia card.

    Right now, I'll be happy just having dynamic shadows in DayZ!

    Existing rig:

    Case: Big broken thing with door cover hanging off
    CPU: AMD Athlon X2 5200 @ 2.60GHz
    Motherboard: ASUS M2N4-SLI
    Memory: 4GB (4 X 1GB) DDR2 RAM
    HDD: 70GB Hitatchi SATA @ 7000RPM
    GPU: Nvidia Geforce GTX 280
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    Wouldn't choose anything over a K series i5/7 CPU
    Wouldn't choose anything less than a 256Gb SSD (Trust me you will fill it very fast - and you need 10-20% free space to see speed gains long term)
    Would choose a Mobo with SATA3 - No point having a SATA3 SSD on a SATA2 Mobo
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHR1S View Post
    Wouldn't choose anything over a K series i5/7 CPU
    I prefer AMD's. Intel CPU's seem to be rather expensive in comparison.

    Wouldn't choose anything less than a 256Gb SSD (Trust me you will fill it very fast - and you need 10-20% free space to see speed gains long term)
    It will only be for the OS and some software. Will be getting a separate 1TB drive for Steam/Games.

    Would choose a Mobo with SATA3 - No point having a SATA3 SSD on a SATA2 Mobo
    Doh! Misred that as SATA-III!

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    Personally I'd go for 16GB and a full atx motherboard, ram is cheap and I have found full atx boards way more reliable under any form of load.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawns View Post
    I prefer AMD's. Intel CPU's seem to be rather expensive in comparison.
    No personal favouring, just think for the price you get better performance, I always went AMD, but lately I have no experience other than reviews etc.



    Quote Originally Posted by Rawns View Post
    It will only be for the OS and some software. Will be getting a separate drive for Steam/Games.
    Ye, I said the same, until you see the speed difference when you palm off steam games to a mechanical drive

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    Definitely go for SATA3 - the speed difference on an SSD is noticeable. You'll never quite get the snap with a SATA2 connection.

    The AMD chip should be fine for gaming, the i5-3570K is an exquisite CPU but you can get by with a Core-i3 or an AMD chip. Higher power consumption than the equivalent Intel chip though.

    I'd say the 660Ti is the best GPU to aim for on the nVidia side of things - note the Ti, the plain 660 is a different card (nVidia love playing name games). To be honest. though, you could probably do plenty well with a 280 for now. This article may well be of interest - compares 64 GPUs from the last few years, including the GTX280 and the current gen of nVidia hardware, so you can see how much gain you're actually getting. Battlefield 3, for example, still runs at 42.3 FPS on a 280 (although the 660Ti does manage >100, to be fair).

    128Gb SSD is fine just for OS + Apps, it's what I run with Steam on a 640Gb Caviar Black; you can have games install on either these days, and there are apps that let you move files between them. I'd go for a Samsung SSD personally, though, they're fantastic performers and not extortionately expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHR1S View Post
    No personal favouring, just think for the price you get better performance, I always went AMD, but lately I have no experience other than reviews etc.
    I know what you mean, from reading up, everyone raves about Intel CPU's these days and how i5 and i7's are the bomb. But an 8 core AMD CPU at 3.5GHz and 16MB cache is £130 quid. I can't seem find anything Intel-wise that comes close to that price in the same area. If anyone wants to suggest some similar options, by all means, I'll take them.

    Ye, I said the same, until you see the speed difference when you palm off steam games to a mechanical drive
    My current O/S HD is 70Gb. I 'could' get away with a 64Gb SSD (as I'm only using 50Gb for the O/S and a few apps) but to play it safe, more is required methinks. I'd love a SSD for my games too (my current game HD is 300Gb with only 30Gb free). To get an SSD the size is too pricy for my liking, and to be honest, my Steam library size will only grow so a 1TB drive seems like a sensible solution.

    Now steam allows you to install games on different drives, I could put one or two onto the OS SSD drive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawns View Post
    I know what you mean, from reading up, everyone raves about Intel CPU's these days and how i5 and i7's are the bomb. But an 8 core AMD CPU at 3.5GHz and 16MB cache is £130 quid. I can't seem find anything Intel-wise that comes close to that price in the same area. If anyone wants to suggest some similar options, by all means, I'll take them.
    I run a i5 2500k - Intel Sandybridge i5-2500K Unlocked Core i5 Quad-Core Processor (3.30GHz, 6MB Cache, Socket 1155): Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories im sure it can be sourced for cheaper.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawns View Post
    Now steam allows you to install games on different drives, I could put one or two onto the OS SSD drive.
    I use steam tool to move games from SSD to 2Tb mechanical. Bit of a faff but at least your current games are on the faster drive.

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    Right, revised spec:

    CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.50 GHz Eight-Core AM3+ CPU 8MB L2 Cache & Turbo Core Technology
    Mobo: Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3 Socket AM3+ 7.1 Channel Audio ATX Motherboard
    RAM: Crucial 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600Mhz Ballistix Tactical Memory Kit CL8 (8-8-8-24) 1.5V
    OS HDD: OCZ 120GB Vertex 3 Max IOPs SSD SATA-III 2.5" Read 550MB/s Write 500MB/s 85,000 IOPS
    Steam HDD: Seagate 1TB Barracuda 3.5" SATA-III Hard Drive - 7200RPM 64MB Cache

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    RAM speed does matter if you use the integrated GPU on AMD APUs such as the A10-5800K. Just saying.



    Quote Originally Posted by Rawns View Post
    OS: OCZ 120GB Vertex 3 Max IOPs SSD SATA-III 2.5" Read 550MB/s Write 500MB/s 85,000 IOPS
    Getting an OCZ SSD is asking for trouble. Spend the extra on a more reliable SSD from Samsung, Intel or Plextor.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawns View Post
    Steam HDD: Seagate 1TB Barracuda 3.5" SATA-III Hard Drive - 7200RPM 64MB Cache
    A 2TB HDD is only £12.54 more?

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    It matters on the AMD APUs as the APU uses system RAM for graphics stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYNACK View Post
    Personally I'd go for 16GB
    Me too. With RAM prices rising, I would stock up now.

    Quote Originally Posted by SYNACK View Post
    I have found full atx boards way more reliable under any form of load.
    I haven't has any issues with my (mATX) Asus Maximus IV Gene-Z/Gen. 3 even under full load. If Asus make a Haswell compatible P8Z77-I Deluxe, I might even downsize to mini-ITX for my next gaming PC.

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    It matters on the AMD APUs as the APU uses system RAM for graphics stuff
    Samsung's Green RAM would be perfect for an AMD APU. It runs at 1,600MHz, but can be overclocked to 2,400MHz+. That would slaughter Intel's IGPs!
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    I think @Rawns is planning on sticking a dGPU in anyway so the APU won't get any significant benefit from the RAM speed.

    OCZ are supposedly sorting their game out now, but I'd still not trust them, their return rates have been abysmal in the past. A Samsung 840 Pro (830 if you can still find one cheap) or a Crucial m4 would be my recommendations, I've experience of both and they're fast and reliable. Intel have always had an excellent reputation but I can't speak to them personally, and I've not heard much either way about Plextor, still fairly new to the market (although the performance is very good).

    16Gb RAM would be lovely, but the significance of gobs of RAM is reduced somewhat by having fast storage in an SSD. Personally I'd be more than happy with 8Gb and put the pennies elsewhere, but that is entirely a matter of opinion

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    Indeed @sonofsanta, a dedicated GPU will be installed.

    I'm happy with 8Gb of RAM, should be plenty for gaming as most games are more CPU intensive. I can always stick more in down the line if required. Also, it means I can get a better quality SSD.

    Cheers for the heads up @Arthur. Funnily enough, my mate said on Steam last night that I should avoid OCZ SSD's like the plague and go for a Samsung instead as their SSD kit is excellent?
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    I have a OCZ Vertex 3, never had any issues with it (touch wood)

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