If they really wanted people on public transport they could not charge the companies that run them fuel tax/road tax on their vehicles (obviously with strings attached)
public transport in general think about where stops are and routes go there are some mightily stupidly placed bus stops/stations out there.
I can't help having the same first thought I had with Trident. How many new social houses can we build with that money? I can't think of anything that would be better for the country overall than serious investment in housing stock, which no government since has been willing to do since Thatcher solid it off with everything else.
I'm also not 100% sure I understand what this new rail line is supposed to achieve? I'm sure if getting from Manchester to London quickly was that important the air fair would be cheaper?
If the money has to be spent on the railways then I'd vote for renationalising them first.
Last edited by sted; 29th January 2013 at 01:54 PM.
Some people are forgetting their history. We already had this line, the Victorians had the foresight to build it. However in 1963 Mr Beeching decided it wasn't needed any more. So here we are, repeating ourselves.
Having visited many other countries such as Germany, France and China who have this kind of infrastructure and used their services, its a complete no brainer to me. Just get on an build it.
People who moan and complain simply have no ambition. Its a sad trait in the British Psyche.
And as for "ruining the landscapes of Britain" well has anyone seen the so called "devastation" existing railways cause? No...? In reality they actually cause minimal visual impact on the surrounding area.
Creating 100,000 jobs also seems like a good idea to me, cant really argue with that one.
Complaints about aditional pollution also cause me a little bother, wouldn't this mean far less car journeys?
There was a great documentary on the BBC recently about some of the villages who opposed the building of the M25 some 40 years ago. They interviewed all the protesters (who were now much older) about it and they seemed thoroughly embarrassed about the whole thing. These were the people who chained themselves to fences, and marched on downing street in their thousands. In-fact most of them had changed their minds and realized that the new motorway had brought prosperity to their villages and easy access. Every single one said in restrospect the motorway had been a good thing.
When I was talking with my brother we were discussing the policy of charging council tenants for each extra room they don't use. A policy my brother was defending. But people like my mum, a single person on JSA in a 2 bed, get's hit quiet hard by.
HS2 is just another example on money being funneled in to expensive projects that will make little or no long term gain in my view. Investing heavily in replenishing housing stock would:
bring down unemployment, especially youth unemployment (someones got to build them)
Less unemployment means more taxes revenue and less benefit expenditure
More people working is good for the high street, money burns holes in pockets
The 1.8m waiting list for social housing can be reduced
private rents and house prices drop because of the influx of new homes on the market
more people can then afford to buy their own homes
This silly policy of forcing people into smaller homes or charging for "rooms they don't use" can be dropped.
On the other hand we can get from London to Manchaster in about an hour which might be good if Oasis reform...
Last edited by tmcd35; 29th January 2013 at 02:14 PM.
Looking at other countries such as France - building a high speed line has done nothing for their economy; especially now when it's needed most. France's problems are just as problematic as ours if not worse.
The Government will tell you it's easier to do business across the country. I think it will make it easier to drive more business into London. If anyone can explain to me otherwise then I'm all ears
I'm also struggling to understand why having a new speedy train line or lines is going to suddenly created thousands of jobs out of thin air. Are these jobs specifically to create/design/maintain the line itself or are these jobs going to be created in the surrounding areas where the train lines pass, mostly in the middle of the countryside...
If HS2 is such a great idea and businesses/investors think it's a good idea why isn't the Government encouraging businesses to invest instead of it all being created/designed using public money?
The last I checked, it's cheaper to drive down to London from Birmingham rather than buying a train ticket. Unless the Government get the pricing right it just isn't going to work as intended.
Germany is very similar as well, its incredibly easy to get from city to city quickly using the fast trains. Their financial centre is Frankfurt not the capital Berlin.
Their train systems are excellent in both countries.
For example is spending money on fixing the M6 in the midlands going to be more constructive pound for pound spent in the local economy?
I refuse to use the M6 Toll. I pay my road tax which is why the M6 Toll always looks empty. Clearly many drivers also agree.
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