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    money matters: what should be my salary?

    Morning fellows?

    what you reckon? 5 years of experience managing all bits of a network (500 Pcs) in a secondary school, outer London, for the last 3 years stuck... in 30K. Not that I'm complaining but ey I'm thinking sending a letter to the head asking for more cash. Does my salary sound sensible to you? Should I ask for 35K, 50K or just shut up and continue patching

    Thanks for your advice in advance!

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    If you want to stay in schools my best advice to getting a higher salary is to retrain as a classroom teacher: less hours, more holiday, less staff to manage, less money to manage, more money

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    Quote Originally Posted by maestromasada View Post
    for the last 3 years stuck... in 30K.
    Guess it depends why you're stuck. Do you have annual increments, but you've hit top level of salary range? Do you not get increments? etc etc.

    If you don't get increments, maybe suggest an increase per year if you meet targets etc.

    If you've hit top of your scale already, is there something additional you can take on to bump to the next scale etc?

    Steve

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    Knowing the financial situation of all three schools that I am involved with currently, two state and one independent, there is very, very little money around. The chances of getting a raise beyond the cost of living and annual increment rises is non existent in the current academic year. It's tough, but that is life at the moment unfortunately
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    That's fair for schools. Frankly compared to many, many, many members on this forum that is a generous salary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maestromasada View Post
    Morning fellows?

    what you reckon? 5 years of experience managing all bits of a network (500 Pcs) in a secondary school, outer London, for the last 3 years stuck... in 30K. Not that I'm complaining but ey I'm thinking sending a letter to the head asking for more cash. Does my salary sound sensible to you? Should I ask for 35K, 50K or just shut up and continue patching

    Thanks for your advice in advance!
    Personally I think you are doing well with what you have compared to a lot on these forums!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trapper View Post
    That's fair for schools. Frankly compared to many, many, many members on this forum that is a generous salary.
    didn't even read this and I wrote exactly the same my bad!

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    I think many of us have had pay freezes over the past couple of years. I can accept this, times are tough. However, if LEA management and teachers get pay rises next year and technicians don't, then that will be annoying. £30K is not a low wage for technicians in education.

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    Thank you for the input fellow members, the salary of 30K does not only include the support work on dealing with the need every single device and human being in the school, but also the strategies, procurements and all big decision related to the network that could result catastrophic if not planned carefully. I believe is not a bad salary as well, and thank you for pointing that out, but ey, just because schools don't generate profits it doesn't mean salaries should be low. Yeah, I take into account the recession and detriment of cash flow, but nowadays IT moves the world and this needs to be value. I’m definitely going to ask for more whatever happens and will keep you up to date with the result…

    The nature of the IT support in education has changed over the years; we have lot of more pressure coming to us in the future, now dealing with BYOD, cloud, new OS or whichever product the big players of the IT industry can think of. Continuous CPDs, never stopping learning and not expecting much, that sound to be the IT support motto in education... we must all love this field

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    Quote Originally Posted by maestromasada View Post
    Thank you for the input fellow members, the salary of 30K does not only include the support work on dealing with the need every single device and human being in the school, but also the strategies, procurements and all big decision related to the network that could result catastrophic if not planned carefully. I believe is not a bad salary as well, and thank you for pointing that out, but ey, just because schools don't generate profits it doesn't mean salaries should be low. Yeah, I take into account the recession and detriment of cash flow, but nowadays IT moves the world and this needs to be value. I’m definitely going to ask for more whatever happens and will keep you up to date with the result…

    The nature of the IT support in education has changed over the years; we have lot of more pressure coming to us in the future, now dealing with BYOD, cloud, new OS or whichever product the big players of the IT industry can think of. Continuous CPDs, never stopping learning and not expecting much, that sound to be the IT support motto in education... we must all love this field
    I wish you luck, but do not expect success for you. I would like to be wrong, but having been part of an essential industry for nearly 30 years, not just in education, I'm a pragmatist.

    IT has always been changing fast. I have moved from punch cards to mainframe terminals to PCs to laptops to... It's always changing and always changing quickly. The technology is different now to what it will be next year and we have to keep up with it. It might not say that in your job description, but I doubt it does for any of us. Keeping up with the technology won't get you a pay rise.

    At the moment, you are on a good salary. Be careful how you say things; you don't want to damage your relationship with your employer.

    Your best chance is to write down everything you do and compare that job description with others. You might qualify for promotion. Are you actually a network manager when employed as a technician? At my schools, this year, even this is unlikely to be successful though. Paying someone more means paying less for something, or someone, else.

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    All i have to say, and in the nicest possible way, try living off 14k then moan about not enough salary

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    Also remember a lot depends on where you are in the country. There's a big north south divide (and again with London vs everywhere else).

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    As you get paid nearly double what I do and i have been doing this job for 6 years i'd say your looking pretty good at £30K

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    Also remember a lot depends on where you are in the country. There's a big north south divide (and again with London vs everywhere else).
    Disagree with that. Between London/Greater London/Home Counties and the rest of the country maybe, but there is no longer a North South divide in our game. I have monitored school IT vacancies across the whole country for about a year and salaries are not higher in the South. They are pretty consistent which means that you will be better off in the North as the living expenses are distinctly lower

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyroman View Post
    All i have to say, and in the nicest possible way, try living off 14k then moan about not enough salary
    I can top that. Try living on 9k and paying more towards the bills/rent than your own mother, as well as your own expenses!

    OT: I won't do the whole "OMG 30K WHY ARE YOU MOANING", because at the end of the day we're all in different circumstances/situations. You've obviously done well for yourself to get 30k a year (and plus I think we're forgetting that the cost of living in/near London is far greater than for the rest of us on the 14k+ living in a small village in Devon or something) so it all balances out really.

    The best thing you can do is what has already been said, write down everything you do and make comparisons/research it. Don't go in all guns blazing and just see what's what. Promotions/raises will always turn up at some point, you just need patience 30K is still a very nice sum of money a year to be earning so just look back and feel proud of yourself for achieving that scale. And if you've done your research and genuinely have justification/proof that you're worth the extra, then best of luck requesting it!
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