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    Unhappy Gove sacks quarter of DfE :jaw:


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    They're trying to make these tiny savings here and there and completely wrecking the joint. How about we pull out of Afghanistan and get some proper tax from Vodafone and others and we'd never have to worry about money again

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    Can also add those benefit cheats or those who actually refuse to work because they are lazy!!

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    Feel sorry for the people losing their jobs, but tbh the education department is pretty bloated. Hopefully this will sharpen the focus on the important stuff rather than all the pointless twaddle that's sent out, classic example is the constant changes to the census data collection, which costs a fortune.

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    Made redundant not sacked.

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    Its horrible that anyone will lose a job, but my thought is the same for this as many government departments - why does that dept have 4000 people in it??

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    @Pyroman a planned withdrawal from Afghanistan is already in place, please remember who took us in there in the first place, you can't blame that on the current administration.
    As for Vodafone, well yes I think the government caved in too easily on this one, but I also feel that companies have every right to do what they can to be tax efficient in a legal manner. You may think that all the money goes to money grabbing barsteward directors, but the vast majority goes on employing staff, which is what we need as a country. Their tax bill is huge anyway from all the other taxes outside of corporation tax, think business rates, employer NICs etc, you can even argue VAT and employee NICs and income tax is payed by the company, although they are technically customer and employee taxes. You also have to remember that having a profitable company benefits the shareholders. Who are the biggest shareholders, pension companies, including including local government pension schemes, so if you want a pension, you want strong profitable companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Its horrible that anyone will lose a job, but my thought is the same for this as many government departments - why does that dept have 4000 people in it??
    Because it has a lot of the people that previously did jobs in other sections, NDRBs, etc in there. PfS is now part of EFA and still deals with Academies, new school builds, etc. Some Becta staff went in ... and are still doing an essential job (leading on safeguarding work for UKCCIS for example). The DfE brought back in a lot of work done elsewhere so the previous cut of staff was almost unnoticed ... this one is likely to hit hard.

    The priority of back office staff going will only work if things are made more efficient (a common thread across the whole of the public sector) but I worry that it will just mean corners being cut instead because there simply aren't the staff to cope with the need.

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    Give Gove another 5 years and there won't be a Department of Education. Every school for themselves, poaching each others students for cash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trapper View Post
    Give Gove another 5 years and there won't be a Department of Education. Every school for themselves, poaching each others students for cash.
    Since schools get paid on a per pupil basis this happens already.

    It's an interesting thought though, if there wasn't really a DfE and all it did was allocate schools a budget based on pupils on roll, would the standard of education improve or get worse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by teejay View Post
    Since schools get paid on a per pupil basis this happens already.

    It's an interesting thought though, if there wasn't really a DfE and all it did was allocate schools a budget based on pupils on roll, would the standard of education improve or get worse?
    This made me think of the classic Yes, Prime Minister episode, with the "National Education Service" - The National Education Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by teejay View Post
    You may think that all the money goes to money grabbing barsteward directors, but the vast majority goes on employing staff,
    Errr... No, this is tax on PROFIT that they are legally, if immorally, avoiding. Profit goes to the directors and shareholders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew_C View Post
    Errr... No, this is tax on PROFIT that they are legally, if immorally, avoiding. Profit goes to the directors and shareholders.
    That's slightly over-simplistic. Profit doesn't all go to directors and shareholders. It also gets folded back into the business for expansion, R&D etc... ie. investment in the future of the business. It also can simply be put in a big bank account as working capital for those odd days when they want to buy another business etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew_C View Post
    Errr... No, this is tax on PROFIT that they are legally, if immorally, avoiding. Profit goes to the directors and shareholders.
    I agree Voda and others have acted immorally, but that profit to the shareholders tends to work out as the man on the street - pension funds, savings accounts etc.

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    Its the classic cycle of labour increasing control and bloating the public sector then the torries cutting it back to be more efficient.

    Personally I support the Conservative point of view that less regulation is better. Reducing the staff is a good thing and should be done across all centralized government departments.

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