It's hard to hear you over rabid fanbois.
aerospacemango (24th October 2012)
I felt sorry last night when I caught up on it all as I was offline until about 8pm, I know a few people, my sister being one of them, who just shelled out £479 about 6 weeks ago for a 32gb ipad (which she isnt unhappy about at all), but to me it seems that to supersede a device 7 months into its product cycle is a bit of a shabby thing to do I felt there, that probably could have been held off until at least a 12 month, it is a bit of a kick in the teeth I felt for people who do invest in their technology platform.
It seems to me that apple are a bit lost in the post Jobs era, though I do admire them in a certain respect for their admittance after seeing that the smaller tablets indeed had a future and a bustling market, it is only right that they should want to get in to it, that being said, they are priced quite high in the market compared to the likes of the Nexus, so it will be interesting to see how it performs, no doubt there will be people who will leap at the chance to get their hands on a mini and with education it offers a cheaper alternative to the current iPad, so that cant be bad either.
Personally for me, I will be going back to android after this contract is up on my iPhone and I will also be looking to get a Nexus 7 for myself around christmas I think, all going well, I would rather open source than ecosystem after seeing it first hand.
That being said, the new iMac and Mac Mini I both find strangely impressive as well here.
This is it! If we can get one for every student it'll be an education revolution! I pushing for it here, though if I mention 'Apple' or 'iPads' one more time this term the head might just sack me on the spot!
Last edited by localzuk; 24th October 2012 at 11:19 AM.
Besides my job is safe - I heard the Head of PE and Assistant Head talking in the corridor - "have you seen the new iPad mini, it's on my Christmas list"
I'd like to quote Roger Daltrey at this point....
"Meet the new boss, Same as the old boss"
Nothing changes..... Apple fans will rant and rave......Droid fans will extole the virtues of an open source system. The world will turn.
As an Android fan, I'm thoroughly sick of the "going round in circles" arguments. Opinions are indeed like a*seholes....everyone has one, but they're all full of sh*t!
Why would anyone buy this new iPad mini? It's all about the image!
Interestingly, Peru has basically said their country wide 1:1 OLPC project is an abject failure - it hasn't made any difference to education at all, for a cool cost of $225m. The reason? They just dumped laptops on everyone. No integration into curriculum etc... - ie. it was technology first, education second.
If someone can show me a proper thought out curriculum and a way to properly use ipads in a 1:1 system, and also show an increase in outcomes, then I may change my view, but until then I'll continue to see it the same - people being amazed by shiny things.
Can you say that the cost, which here would be about £138k just for the devices, add in repairs, replacements, software, wireless network etc... and you're looking at £250k, is worth it? They still can't do everything you need to do in a school, so you'd need to maintain some systems to deal with them (admin, media related stuff, word processing, etc...).
Add in the fact that they'll have about a 3 year life expectancy at most, with a non-replaceable battery, and you're then spending £250k every 3 years. On top of a slightly reduced existing spend.
Or would that money be better spent on 20 TAs, or 8 or so new teachers?
Last edited by localzuk; 24th October 2012 at 11:43 AM.
SYNACK (24th October 2012)
An argument I could never win until at the very least every pupil in 1 year group had one. Then I think people will be able to see their benefits and how to best make use of them.and [opinion] not fit for purpose.
Like?There are other things that can do the job better and are cheaper.
Our ICT, Art, Media, Drama, and Music teacher would all disagree with you. We have 10 iPads, one for each department, for teacher to experiment with. Just today I passed some students wondering around the school creating a video with the ICT department one. And I'm having to slow the music teacher down somewhat - she wants to dump all her PC's for iPad with Garageband, and is looking to buy guitar adapters for her current department one.Plus, tablets aren't all that good at creating things. [Also opinion]
To my mind the iPad mini is (almost) the right price, the right size, and the app store has the right apps available. No other device I can find matches the form factor with the price and, more importantly, the range of quality apps.
Nexus 7? Asus Eee Transformer? Windows tablets? If you're running an apple network, iDevices would be good. Windows networks however...
When I say "creating things" I mean text-wise. Art-wise it's just a fancy sketchpad. Music-wise it's a fancy keyboard. I've always found it awkward to type on tablets, unless they have good handwriting recognition.
As for apps... What's wrong with Android apps? A lot of the apps I've seen are multiplatform, so they're on iTunes[?] and the Google Store. [I've never looked at Windows apps, so I can't comment on them.]
Last edited by X-13; 24th October 2012 at 12:04 PM.
There is still no proper stylus either. Yes, they can be useful in conjunction, if you want precision of intent as opposed to blunt grunts of intent from a fingertip.
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