+ Post New Thread
Results 1 to 12 of 12
General Chat Thread, You thought BSF was bad.... in General; BBC News - For-profit firms 'should run failing schools' A former conservative party policy chief, banned from providing (lobbied) advice ...
  1. #1

    Theblacksheep's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    In a house.
    Posts
    1,931
    Thank Post
    138
    Thanked 290 Times in 210 Posts
    Rep Power
    193

    You thought BSF was bad....

    BBC News - For-profit firms 'should run failing schools'

    A former conservative party policy chief, banned from providing (lobbied) advice to the education dept for 2 years is now starting up his PR campaign (more questionable lobbying) for failing schools to be run by for-profit business.

    Cameron aide broke rules by joining lobbying firm - UK Politics - UK - The Independent

  2. #2

    X-13's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    /dev/null
    Posts
    9,013
    Thank Post
    591
    Thanked 1,941 Times in 1,342 Posts
    Blog Entries
    19
    Rep Power
    812
    I'm just putting this out there, but if they're trying to make a profit, wouldn't they then put more effort into it?

    Better results/behaviour -> Company looks good -> get more business -> Make more money

  3. #3

    broc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    England
    Posts
    2,046
    Thank Post
    104
    Thanked 401 Times in 265 Posts
    Rep Power
    150
    Quote Originally Posted by X-13 View Post
    I'm just putting this out there, but if they're trying to make a profit, wouldn't they then put more effort into it?

    Better results/behaviour -> Company looks good -> get more business -> Make more money
    You mean like the private sector Exam boards do?

  4. Thanks to broc from:

    CyberNerd (17th October 2012)

  5. #4

    X-13's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    /dev/null
    Posts
    9,013
    Thank Post
    591
    Thanked 1,941 Times in 1,342 Posts
    Blog Entries
    19
    Rep Power
    812
    Quote Originally Posted by broc View Post
    You mean like the private sector Exam boards do?
    Erm... maybe? [I don't know, I'm making this up as I go along]

    The exam boards don't directly compete [IIRC] if they did, they'd have to up their game.

    I may be wrong, but the exam boards can't be compared due to different marking schemes and question difficulty. All anyone pays attention to is what grades people got, with higher marks being seen as being better.

    Comparing schools would be easier. What resources are available, staff pay scales, exam marks, things like behaviour could also come into it.

  6. #5

    localzuk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Minehead
    Posts
    17,607
    Thank Post
    514
    Thanked 2,441 Times in 1,889 Posts
    Blog Entries
    24
    Rep Power
    828
    Quote Originally Posted by X-13 View Post
    Erm... maybe? [I don't know, I'm making this up as I go along]

    The exam boards don't directly compete [IIRC] if they did, they'd have to up their game.

    I may be wrong, but the exam boards can't be compared due to different marking schemes and question difficulty. All anyone pays attention to is what grades people got, with higher marks being seen as being better.

    Comparing schools would be easier. What resources are available, staff pay scales, exam marks, things like behaviour could also come into it.
    The exam boards *do* directly compete - that's where their problem came in. Ie. they made their exams easier to get more schools to sign up to theirs.

    Private companies running schools makes little sense to me, however sponsorship by private companies makes sense - from a 'economies of scale' point of view.

  7. 2 Thanks to localzuk:

    broc (17th October 2012), Garacesh (17th October 2012)

  8. #6
    CAM
    CAM is online now

    CAM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Burgh Heath, Surrey
    Posts
    4,067
    Thank Post
    811
    Thanked 352 Times in 276 Posts
    Blog Entries
    60
    Rep Power
    279
    Currently we have private schools but they are not for-profit, so any excess in the pot goes back into investment in the school. State schools don't even have that excess pot and are mostly funded by the government with Voluntary Aided schools having some external income (such as from a Diocese).

    In all cases, the above schools answer to the governors who can be kicked out themselves for failing to run the school properly and providing the kids with a bad education.

    When you add in profit from an external copany, such as a large business, then you replace governors with a board of directors who in turn answer to shareholders. Money that would otherwise be re-invested into the school goes towards external people with more care for a stock price instead of children's education. The kit that would have been bought with overflow in the pot is not purchased as the money has left the school.

    There is also conflict of interest. Let's say a tech company wants new skills ina certain discipline using their technology, what will the kid's focus be on? What use is a person who has education in limited fields of expertise or bespoke software packages according to one company's needs instead of a proper general education? And if a student's needs don't meet the company's visions, what happens then?

  9. Thanks to CAM from:

    Theblacksheep (17th October 2012)

  10. #7

    X-13's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    /dev/null
    Posts
    9,013
    Thank Post
    591
    Thanked 1,941 Times in 1,342 Posts
    Blog Entries
    19
    Rep Power
    812
    Quote Originally Posted by CAM View Post
    Let's say a tech company wants new skills in a certain discipline using their technology, what will the kid's focus be on? What use is a person who has education in limited fields of expertise or bespoke software packages according to one company's needs instead of a proper general education? And if a student's needs don't meet the company's visions, what happens then?
    Sounds like what RM are doing to school IT.

  11. #8


    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Posts
    1,225
    Thank Post
    150
    Thanked 238 Times in 164 Posts
    Rep Power
    155
    Can anyone imagine a school run by Capita?


  12. #9

    Theblacksheep's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    In a house.
    Posts
    1,931
    Thank Post
    138
    Thanked 290 Times in 210 Posts
    Rep Power
    193
    Quote Originally Posted by Earthling View Post
    Can anyone imagine a school run by Capita?

    or McDonalds, Facebook... I feel sick.

  13. #10

    Oaktech's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Bournemouth
    Posts
    2,764
    Thank Post
    760
    Thanked 539 Times in 422 Posts
    Rep Power
    259
    McDonalds... At least there would be some chance of good vocational training and career progression. But very little ethics.

  14. #11

    X-13's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    /dev/null
    Posts
    9,013
    Thank Post
    591
    Thanked 1,941 Times in 1,342 Posts
    Blog Entries
    19
    Rep Power
    812
    Quote Originally Posted by Oaktech View Post
    McDonalds... At least there would be some chance of good vocational training and career progression. But very little ethics.
    and tasty, tasty mechanically reclaimed chicken.

  15. Thanks to X-13 from:

    Oaktech (17th October 2012)

  16. #12


    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Leeds
    Posts
    6,573
    Thank Post
    228
    Thanked 851 Times in 730 Posts
    Rep Power
    294
    Quote Originally Posted by X-13 View Post
    I'm just putting this out there, but if they're trying to make a profit, wouldn't they then put more effort into it?

    Better results/behaviour -> Company looks good -> get more business -> Make more money
    i suspect it depends on the exact goalposts. If the only criteria is gcse c+ grades but the kids trash the place so it looks like beiruit. Depending on exactly what the company is paid to do that could be seen as a good outcome

SHARE:
+ Post New Thread

Similar Threads

  1. If You Thought Leaves On The Line Were Bad...
    By CAM in forum General Chat
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 29th April 2011, 12:32 AM
  2. [News] And you thought your staff were bad...
    By SYNACK in forum Jokes/Interweb Things
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 2nd March 2009, 11:56 PM
  3. Oh my God I thought I was going to be lynched!
    By reggiep in forum General Chat
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 30th April 2008, 04:24 PM
  4. and you thought the education sector is badly paid...
    By baxter in forum Educational IT Jobs
    Replies: 25
    Last Post: 23rd March 2008, 08:38 AM
  5. I thought this was a joke !!
    By mattx in forum General Chat
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 20th November 2007, 10:05 AM

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •