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    Bell Safedriver Scheme?

    I've just insured my car with Bell/Admiral, the quote they gave me was around £350 less than any others.. When I got in contact though they said this is part of the "safe driver" scheme...

    Essentially it works with a tracker installed in your car that monitors... from what I gather pretty much everything, after six months if your a "good driver" you get a further 5% (or even 20% discount).

    It's been fitted to my car today, but I'm wondering if anyone else has/had one and could shed light on what you can and can't get away with?

    P.S if your what they deem a "bad driver" they'll add a surcharge of 5%/20% to you bill

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    Personally id be a bit hesitant for this scheme as what I think is a good driver could be different to what they think. But they probably have a set ideal of a good driver they are basing it on.

    Also I dont think id be happy with the insurance company knowing everywhere I drive to etc, not that im trying to hide where i go its just it seems too 'Big Brother' for me.

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    See how can you classify a good driver?!

    I had a car following this morning at 7.20am in the rain, and she had no lights on. It was dark, and across country. That to me is dangerous driving, so would the device pick that up?!

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    No but it must have an accelerometer and a GPS unit in the thing so it'd be able to detect sudden acceleration and braking, speeding and impacts at the very least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sippo View Post
    See how can you classify a good driver?!

    I had a car following this morning at 7.20am in the rain, and she had no lights on. It was dark, and across country. That to me is dangerous driving, so would the device pick that up?!
    Perhaps not, but are you saying that if their device isn't perfect out of the gate they might as well not even try?

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    I beleive from what my girlfriend says the guys where playing with just about everybit of the car... So I wonder if they've hooked it up to the ECU as well. It's a big bit of electronics for just a gps and accelerometer.

    I've done a bit of research and this is the company that offers it: Octo Telematics - Designing and Leading Telematics

    I was just wondering if anyones had any personal experiences of what is "good driving" in their eyes, I'm worried that with the amount of pot holes in leicester will score me way down.

    P.S I totally agree with what others are saying without the device being situational aware, how does it know what is "good" and what is "bad"...

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    Ah, but don't forget the 'placebo effect'! You've got it fitted therefore you will be more conscious of how you are driving therefore you will become a better driver. Obviously it will know whether you are exceeding the speed limit, it can probably tell whether you are tailgating from your speed and constant braking etc. I suspect that those will be the type of misdemeanours that would mark anyone out as a bad driver.

    Things that it wouldn't be able to tell would be whether you were on your mobile phone or eating a sandwich and swigging from a bottle of vodka -now that would be good!

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    Eeep, I'd never get one of thee fitted as it is basically just encouraging the insurance companies to get even worse. I'm just waiting for the first pileup of cars that has insurance denied because the recorded reaction time of drivers two and three were 10ms slower than the average and so the drivers were 'obviously' tired or drunk or something to let them off paying. Insurance companies will do whatever then can and need to in order to get out of paying out for anything. This kind of stuff is just giving them licence to not pay out for anything. Fine if you never get involved in an accident but it does not account for people hitting you or overly adverse conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mossj88 View Post
    I was just wondering if anyones had any personal experiences of what is "good driving" in their eyes,
    Good driving for an insurance company will be a correlation between whatever data the device accumulates and accidents. So if they determine that data bump A has a statistically significant correlation with a bump in claims, then that behaviour will become bad driving. I think the key question with these devices should be whether the companies will give feedback so that drivers can have a choice to alter their behaviour from A, *whatever* that might be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYNACK View Post
    This kind of stuff is just giving them licence to not pay out for anything. Fine if you never get involved in an accident but it does not account for people hitting you or overly adverse conditions.
    It's a choice. Some people are happy for their behaviour to be monitored and even to adjust that behaviour if that results in lower insurance premiums. It's like the choice of driving a 1.0 L polo instead of an old V8. Perhaps insurance companies notice a correlation between people who allow devices to be fitted and lower accident rates. People who don't have them will end up paying a premium. Their choice.

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    I wouldnt have their "tracker" fitted. I rather be limited in driving time than be watched where i go.

    Although me saying that. I think it would be good for first time drivers. Try and keep there insurance down. ( i payed £1500 on a 97 Escort 1.3 Encore 4 years ago (was meant to be £1800 but i did the Plus and knocked it down by £300))

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcstru View Post
    It's a choice. Some people are happy for their behaviour to be monitored and even to adjust that behaviour if that results in lower insurance premiums. It's like the choice of driving a 1.0 L polo instead of an old V8. Perhaps insurance companies notice a correlation between people who allow devices to be fitted and lower accident rates. People who don't have them will end up paying a premium. Their choice.
    Also called strongarming in certain situations.

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    Hi all

    Sorry to wake up an old thread but I have one of these boxes in my car. I have to be very careful what I do. 1.9 CDTI Astra, not easy to maintain what they consider a "safe speed".Especially when it doesn't feel like you're driving as fast as you are.

    From what I've been told and from what I can gather, the box will pick up on the following:

    Speeding: Obvious but will flag you at even 1mph over the limit. I've ben as careful as possible, but take care when "free rolling" downhill
    Sharp breaking: some things are impossible to predict when driving, but when the time comes to hit that break, it will flag regardless of whether you are in the wrong or not.
    Harsh Accelleration: Even accellerating quickly to 30 mph it will flag.
    Harsh turning: not too clear on this one but the guy who installed it told me that it will pick up on turning corners or swerving too harshly
    Times that you drive: If you drive between 11pm and 6am you are considered a risk, so this will be flagged also.

    I don't think it picks up on whether you have your lights on in the dark, or anything like your door not being closed properly. but don't quote me on that.
    Not sure if I have missed anyting out, but they are the main factors. If any of the above is nothing for you to worry about then yes, have it installed, save yourself a few hundred £££'s, build up 1 yr no claims (10 month policy optional) then shop around. otherwise if you have a lead foot and no patience, steer clear.

    Hope this info helps

    Carl

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    I can't wait until they put cameras in my house to bring my house insurance down...

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